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  •  04-01-2012, 2:29 PM 953639
    Dopellsolder Dopellsolder is not online. Last active: 09-21-2013, 10:22 AM
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    Subject: Portuguese advantages and disadvantages

    Advantages:

    - very flexible civilization

    - have very good anticavalry unit - Dragoon (the most upgradable in this civilization)

    - neednt build town centers (receive with every age) 

    - tough defense after sending TEAM better =D walls

    - add 

    Disadvantages:

    - havent ´´strong´´ unit (such as cuirassiers, doppelsoldners, etc) (((you know what I mean)))

    - add 


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  •  04-01-2012, 2:32 PM 953640 in reply to 953639
    StrategicJoeL StrategicJoeL is not online. Last active: 11-11-2012, 4:23 PM
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    Subject: Re: Portuguese advantages and disadvantages
    i love playing with ports, their strong unit is the organ gun. it is hard to get them a decent economy and they should go to fortress ASAP and then are a strong civ

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  •  04-01-2012, 2:36 PM 953641 in reply to 953639
    LordStefanIII LordStefanIII is not online. Last active: 03/07/2014, 4:07 PM
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    Subject: Re: Portuguese advantages and disadvantages
    Dopellsolder:

    - havent ´´strong´´ unit (such as cuirassiers, doppelsoldners, etc) (((you know what I mean)))

    Their strong unit is their culvs which take 3 shots to kill, and their cassador which are among the best skirms.

  •  04-01-2012, 2:44 PM 953642 in reply to 953641
    Dopellsolder Dopellsolder is not online. Last active: 09-21-2013, 10:22 AM
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    Subject: Re: Portuguese advantages and disadvantages

    You dont understand me. I meant unit that is quickly trainable, take little pop and is overall tough (organ guns are easy defeated by cavalry and culv are ´´advantage´´ of all european civs) - so I meant cavalry or infantry. 

    BTW: cassadors are as good as other skrimishers (of course except strelet). They have better resistance(, higher attack (but not in AD)) but much less hp.   


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  •  04-01-2012, 2:52 PM 953643 in reply to 953642
    mushrambo mushrambo is not online. Last active: 05-07-2012, 11:16 AM
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    Subject: Re: Portuguese advantages and disadvantages

    Depends on if the organs are upgraded when they are upgraded (fully upgraded) they are decent even on cavalery.  

  •  04-01-2012, 3:19 PM 953644 in reply to 953642
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    Subject: Re: Portuguese advantages and disadvantages

    Dopellsolder:
    You dont understand me. I meant unit that is quickly trainable, take little pop and is overall tough (organ guns are easy defeated by cavalry and culv are ´´advantage´´ of all european civs) - so I meant cavalry or infantry.

    Then you can take hussar. They are pretty terrible unit for ports, but the high hp fits your discription. And btw ports do have good muskets. 


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  •  04-01-2012, 3:20 PM 953645 in reply to 953643
    jayve98 jayve98 is not online. Last active: 09-07-2014, 8:59 PM
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    Subject: Re: Portuguese advantages and disadvantages
    What he means is Ports dont have 1 dominant unit that can just dominate everything but its counter. curs kill basically everything except goons or halbs or a cav counter. Doppels beat just about anything it can get close enough to

    dcdonnie4:

    The more costeffective army can win vs a more expensive (better unit) because they can just keep throwing them at the other player.

  •  04-01-2012, 4:24 PM 953650 in reply to 953645
    Dopellsolder Dopellsolder is not online. Last active: 09-21-2013, 10:22 AM
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    Subject: Re: Portuguese advantages and disadvantages

    jayve98:
    What he means is Ports dont have 1 dominant unit that can just dominate everything but its counter. curs kill basically everything except goons or halbs or a cav counter. Doppels beat just about anything it can get close enough to

    Absolutely right. Thanks Jayve.

    BTW: I learn English second year so my English expression is not so good. 


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  •  04-01-2012, 4:26 PM 953651 in reply to 953642
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    Subject: Re: Portuguese advantages and disadvantages
    Dopellsolder:

    You dont understand me. I meant unit that is quickly trainable, take little pop and is overall tough (organ guns are easy defeated by cavalry and culv are ´´advantage´´ of all european civs) - so I meant cavalry or infantry. 

    I think you are missing the point... you ask for the pros/cons of port and the culv card is a VERY important aspect.  At higher levels of play, it makes a significant difference and really helps to make the Port civ competitive.  Saying that you only meant cav and infantry is missing some of the most important aspects of the game.


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  •  04-01-2012, 4:39 PM 953657 in reply to 953651
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    Subject: Re: Portuguese advantages and disadvantages
    The Cleaner:
    Dopellsolder:

    You dont understand me. I meant unit that is quickly trainable, take little pop and is overall tough (organ guns are easy defeated by cavalry and culv are ´´advantage´´ of all european civs) - so I meant cavalry or infantry. 

    I think you are missing the point... you ask for the pros/cons of port and the culv card is a VERY important aspect.  At higher levels of play, it makes a significant difference and really helps to make the Port civ competitive.  Saying that you only meant cav and infantry is missing some of the most important aspects of the game.

    I asked about unique portuguese advantages (culverins have all europeans). 


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  •  04-01-2012, 4:42 PM 953658 in reply to 953657
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    Subject: Re: Portuguese advantages and disadvantages
    Dopellsolder:
    The Cleaner:
    Dopellsolder:

    You dont understand me. I meant unit that is quickly trainable, take little pop and is overall tough (organ guns are easy defeated by cavalry and culv are ´´advantage´´ of all european civs) - so I meant cavalry or infantry. 

    I think you are missing the point... you ask for the pros/cons of port and the culv card is a VERY important aspect.  At higher levels of play, it makes a significant difference and really helps to make the Port civ competitive.  Saying that you only meant cav and infantry is missing some of the most important aspects of the game.

    I asked about unique portuguese advantages (culverins have all europeans). 

    all europeans have walls, but you still listed the wall card.

     


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  •  04-01-2012, 4:48 PM 953659 in reply to 953658
    Dopellsolder Dopellsolder is not online. Last active: 09-21-2013, 10:22 AM
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    Subject: Re: Portuguese advantages and disadvantages
    StormComing:
    Dopellsolder:
    The Cleaner:
    Dopellsolder:

    You dont understand me. I meant unit that is quickly trainable, take little pop and is overall tough (organ guns are easy defeated by cavalry and culv are ´´advantage´´ of all european civs) - so I meant cavalry or infantry. 

    I think you are missing the point... you ask for the pros/cons of port and the culv card is a VERY important aspect.  At higher levels of play, it makes a significant difference and really helps to make the Port civ competitive.  Saying that you only meant cav and infantry is missing some of the most important aspects of the game.

    I asked about unique portuguese advantages (culverins have all europeans). 

    all europeans have walls, but you still listed the wall card.

     

    Yes, walls have every civ (except sioux), but TEAM wall card has only Portugal. 


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  •  04-01-2012, 4:50 PM 953660 in reply to 953657
    The Cleaner The Cleaner is not online. Last active: Mon, Dec 23 2013, 1:53 PM
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    Subject: Re: Portuguese advantages and disadvantages
    Dopellsolder:
    The Cleaner:
    Dopellsolder:

    You dont understand me. I meant unit that is quickly trainable, take little pop and is overall tough (organ guns are easy defeated by cavalry and culv are ´´advantage´´ of all european civs) - so I meant cavalry or infantry. 

    I think you are missing the point... you ask for the pros/cons of port and the culv card is a VERY important aspect.  At higher levels of play, it makes a significant difference and really helps to make the Port civ competitive.  Saying that you only meant cav and infantry is missing some of the most important aspects of the game.

    I asked about unique portuguese advantages (culverins have all europeans). 

    The strength of their culv IS unique to Port, not all europeans.


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  •  04-01-2012, 6:27 PM 953665 in reply to 953657
    LordStefanIII LordStefanIII is not online. Last active: 03/07/2014, 4:07 PM
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    Subject: Re: Portuguese advantages and disadvantages
    Dopellsolder:

    I asked about unique portuguese advantages (culverins have all europeans). 

    Captain obvious, maybe try reading my post again.

    Port culvs are unique because they take 3 shots from a regular euro culv to kill, this is a massive advantage to the civ in many MU's.

    Their cassador are very good, they're pretty close to being on par with france or spain skirms i would argue, and completely **** dutch and german skirms. Only ones that are clearly better are wakina and forest prowler.

    Cassador are your closest thing the a dominate unit for port. Combined with their dragoons make for one of the best skirm/goon combinations in the game.

    The whole 1 dominate unit is irrelevant, only france has that and they're considered an op civ. Dopples are hard countered by many things, they don't dominate every counter.

  •  04-01-2012, 10:04 PM 953681 in reply to 953642
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    Subject: Re: Portuguese advantages and disadvantages
    Dopellsolder:

    You dont understand me. I meant unit that is quickly trainable, take little pop and is overall tough (organ guns are easy defeated by cavalry and culv are ´´advantage´´ of all european civs) - so I meant cavalry or infantry. 

    BTW: cassadors are as good as other skrimishers (of course except strelet). They have better resistance(, higher attack (but not in AD)) but much less hp.   

    man are you kidding ?

    cas are the best euro ski(may be after spain )

     

    port is the best range civ , there mortors are op

    only disadvantage is the are not too gud vs mele(althrough they have gud musk )


    knight_br:
    Optimal explanation .. very succinctly


    LordStefanIII:

    Unkown_Genius:
    Leave it to Age.Comm to get a thread twenty miles off topic.


    :)

    Or turn into a flame war.

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