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Awesome dude. I must say I've finally found something useful on Germans for AOE. I managed to hold off a Brit (HC 88) and another German (HC 20 something?) with my level 5 HC for 50 mins after my partner dropped thanks to the insane eco boost from SW (and some nice microing with counters) so I can't wait till I get the cards to put some of your strategies to work.

As you can see by the politicians and when they become available, the German civ only gets better as it progresses through HC Levels. Also, many of their really awesome cards are not available until later (Such as guild artisans and germantown farmers). I really think in a lot of cases people simply don't give the civ enough of a chance before abandoning it because there are "easier" civs to play. Unfortunately those easier civs are all so overdone. I personally feel it's more rewarding to play a civ like Ports or Germans rather than attempt to rehash the same tired tactics of 'certain' civs. [Edited on 2/24/2007]

Exactly why my Russian city is getting boring. =/ I use them mostly when I need a win to keep my ranking stable (I've only played about 70 rated games on vanilla). Otherwise, I'm trying out different civs and I really like Germans. =) They were the first civ I tried when I got the game but I picked up Russians and ottos and forgot that Germans are good if you use them right. Onward with the leveling of Germany!

Things I like:

Royal Guard Skirms
Ulhans make excellent raiders (for villies and cannons)
A beastly eco with SW on mills and plantations
Doppelsoldners equate to no longer having the fear of French Gendarmes devouring my stretlets.

I mostly play team games with my friends and the factor of it turning into a prolonged game increases dramatically if the teams are balanced. Russia, contrary to what people believe, is good late game but you have to be really good with your microing. Germany's need for micro is more-or-less the same with its more specialized units but the better eco is a definite advantage.

If you really want to own French calvary go with War Wagons.. 1 v 1 War wagon Vs Cuir, the War Wagon wins with most of his HP in tact.

your amazing etherimp, how are u still pr 1st lt u should be much higher i have seen u play, u play like a higher rank and stratigize like one to :P

Thanks Sandman, I really appreciate that. The highest PR I've had in Vanilla is 26.. Highest rating 1922.. I guess it could be the civ? Or maybe I'm just a better thinker/talker than player? :D

I dunno but you definitly are a very good player. Perhaps its because the germans r still Up'ed and it still is rather hard to win with them. Kudos to u etherimp.

really good guide :) i just have two questions:

what politician would you recommend for a rush game before 40 hc? and how would you get the wood to replace it? I have a lvl 22 hc with germans, so i was just wondering what you would recommend

also do you think war wagons are better than doppels against cuir? i always used doppels (igot german hc lvls from playing NR ages ago) i may have just preferred them for the siege once units are dead, not sure

second one if less relevant to me now, but I'm just interested

sorry if i missed it reading through i skipped a few bits

I believe in the guide he said use the 500 food politician and to compensate put more guys on wood during the age up.

Great post, EtherImp. Lots of hours of research \ playing \ thinking behind this post. I agree, ppl think German civ is lil bit UP'ed. I don't see many German civ players online nowadays. But mainly power of any civ depends on the skill level of a paticular player. I remember in AoM ppl thought Odin was UP'ed on low-food maps, but that's not true. CFDT_Deadman, Deadvivian, BEER_LOL etc do awesome on any map with Odin.

By the way, what's your AoM nick\nicks? I'm still in AoM vanilla as an Isis expert, and know almost all players on ESO AoM(small community now).

Do u have German civ strats for each map? What you do VS Rusian Seminole archer rush on Calolina map, EtherImp ? [Edited on 2/26/2007]

Posted by: daniellister really good guide :) i just have two questions: what politician would you recommend for a rush game before 40 hc? and how would you get the wood to replace it? I have a lvl 22 hc with germans, so i was just wondering what you would recommend

I would reccomend using the 500 food Politician and putting as many as possible on wood until you get enough for whatever you need.. Which would most likely be a few houses (3 = 300), A barracks or stable (200), and at least a starting amount of pikes/xbows.. (another 200 or so). That's about 700 wood you'd have to collect.

Which brings me to Option B: send 500 food politician, followed by 700 wood card in age2. 700 wood would give you enough for barracks, houses, maybe a stable and a tower.. depends on how you want to play it and who you're up against. In this scenerio you would leave most of your villagers on food and gold (Maybe 6 on wood, 7 on food, 5 on gold), pump villagers constantly, and then you have the option of a very respectable age3 time, OR, a very sizeable gold army (an army which includes but is not limited to Uhlans and Dopps)

Lately I have been experimenting with sending the 5 uhlan card, 9xbow card, and pumping about 10 pikes and 5 Dopps from my barracks. Then attacking.. it's done pretty well. I end up with a total of 7 uhlans 9 xbows 10 pikes 5 dopps.. A lot of siege in that army, enough xbows to control muskets/pikes, and enough uhlans to handle xbows/lbs/skirms. I usually let the pikes protect my xbows while the dopps push up and engage infantry.

also do you think war wagons are better than doppels against cuir? i always used doppels (igot german hc lvls from playing NR ages ago) i may have just preferred them for the siege once units are dead, not sure second one if less relevant to me now, but I'm just interested sorry if i missed it reading through i skipped a few bits

Uhm.. That's a rather simple question with a very complex answer.. So I'll give you the 'simple' answer first:

Yes.

War Wagons are superior to Dopps against Cuirs.


Here's why:
-They are ranged
-They have a lot of hp
-They do a lot of damage vs calvary

Statistically speaking, they completely dominate Cuirs.

Now... logistically speaking..
-They are very expensive (As expensive as cuirs.)
-They are bulky and difficult to manuever
-They have a high pop cost (equal to Cuirs, though!)
-They are not as useful for 'other' things. (Like wrecking buildings)

So, my answer is: Defensively, I would use War Wagons.. Aggressively, I would use massed dopps.

I should add: By all means, if you are facing a PURELY Cuir army, go with War Wagons because they counter them much more effectively. [Edited on 2/26/2007]

man i hope they fix the germans, cause im not really gonna use them until they are fixed...

In vanilla they are fine.. TWC is where they have problems.

/bump thanks to some troll spamming the forums with old/dead threads that should probably remain old/dead. Sorry.

Have fun getting banned again. [Edited on 2/26/2007]