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Last post 06-03-2008, 6:36 PM by gooback. 30 replies.
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Re: Ashi stats
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If you learn a good way to counter them which is hide your art in the woody area and send your skrims to fight the ashs then when you see have your force is gone pull them back and send a small cal unit to ouucpy for about 15 secs then when they follow you again you will have plenty of cannons to take him down this might work if done just right.
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Subject:
Re: Ashi stats
 Red-Commie:Ashigarus are fine learn2play.
They are not fine and have a 95% chance of being nerfed in the upcoming patch.
The one and only. ~Pegasus~
Україна Моя Надія
(By the way this means Ukraine is my hope, in Ukrainian)
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Re: Ashi stats
EdyPegasus:
Red-Commie: Ashigarus are fine learn2play.
They are not fine and have a 95% chance of being nerfed in the upcoming patch.
There is no upcoming patch mentioned on ESO. What are you talking about?
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Subject:
Re: Ashi stats
EdyPegasus:
Red-Commie: Ashigarus are fine learn2play.
They are not fine and have a 95% chance of being nerfed in the upcoming patch.
Yes, but if you have played "Age Of German", you will know that es need 1year to balance the OP civs.
top 100 players are mainly german is because people used german are experts, not german OP.
funny post before 2 years
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Subject:
Re: Ashi stats
Jumping in ahead of what I KNOW Wacko will say - you cannot simply judge a civ on the stats of one unit. Even in that case the Ashi is actually not that super strong - do the same comparison for skirms vs other musk-type units and see what I mean. But the speed advantage is quite big and the Ashi could get a small nerf to other stats esp since it still has good upgrades. Problem is that if you think Japan is all about Ashi you are totally wrong.
However it cannot simply be about the speed and other stats since there are civs that can get advanced arsenal and get 4.4 speed musks with greatly improved stats that can rival the Ashi (even in colo).
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Subject:
Re: Ashi stats
Jaguar Dreamer: Jumping in ahead of what I KNOW Wacko will say - you cannot simply judge a civ on the stats of one unit. Even in that case the Ashi is actually not that super strong - do the same comparison for skirms vs other musk-type units and see what I mean. But the speed advantage is quite big and the Ashi could get a small nerf to other stats esp since it still has good upgrades. Problem is that if you think Japan is all about Ashi you are totally wrong.
However it cannot simply be about the speed and other stats since there are civs that can get advanced arsenal and get 4.4 speed musks with greatly improved stats that can rival the Ashi (even in colo).
can't the jap get an arsenal from the Dutch consulate, or even one one of therir wonders, that could make ashi speed 4.95
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Re: Ashi stats
U kinda missed out on the fact that skirms counter light cavalry
(yes, that inculdes rifle riders, which would completely pwn Ashis) and
ashis dont stand a hope in hell against them. Genitours can get 20
range, so they could easily micro musketeers... Plus skirms get much
more ranged armor, particularly cassadors... This makes them better
against muskets, light cav and other skirms then Ashis. So they arent
completely OP...
Infact, Im pretty sure cost effectively they are worse than regular muskets...
Regular Musket Ashigaru Same Cost Musketeer
HP: 150 HP: 170 HP: 180
Ranged Attack: 23 Ranged Attack: 26 Ranged Attack: 28
Hand Attack: 13 Hand Attack: 10 Hand Attack: 16
Siege Attack: 20 Siege Attack: 21 Siege Attack: 24
So cost effectively, the regular musk beats the Ashigaru in combat in almost every way...
That makes no difference at all. I'm not saying ashi's are a good skirm unit. I'm saying they are too good vs skirms. You kinda missed out on the fact that ashi counter cav but again nothing to do with my argument what so ever. One civ has rifle riders, yumi counter them well. Genitours are age 4 port, game won't last that long 9 times out of 10 in that matchup. In regards to cost effectiveness. Ashi's upgrade a lot more. FU ashi absolutely rapes FU redcoats. Muskets are also same speed as skirms meaning skirms can easily keep muskets at range, can't say the same for ashis.
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Subject:
Re: Ashi stats
Red-Commie: Ashigarus are fine learn2play.
I'm a colonel, pretty sure I know how to play. May I ask your Jap fueled overinflated PR?
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Re: Ashi stats
s0me0ne-else: can't the jap get an arsenal from the Dutch consulate, or even one one of therir wonders, that could make ashi speed 4.95
Japan cant get that advanced arsenal tech... The arsenal from dutch dont give advanced arsenal upgrades, and golden pavillion just give a few upgrades...
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