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Mandem:

Comfortably russians. You will outnumber his jans with strelets at least 3 to 1. Then after the first rush is beaten, oprichniks can go to work on his slow spawning villies and damage his eco for good.

I hope taht was a joke...

A spahi FF its a GG for any russian player, IMO, I have played in vanilla, and I released, that ottos are like an anti-Russia.

Using Russians to kill ottos its like to try using strelets vs Gendarmes.

Spahi FF just rapes Russia or an abus mass combined with a few jans does the same...

Get off your high horse and read the title of the post. I believe that it said "anti-otto rush civ" not "anti-otto spahi ff civ".

still, who would rush with ottos vs russians...

and still if he would, abus spawning+a few jans to protect from cavalry=GG.

Angus Khan:

hes right no good ottoman player is going to rush a russian who he knows will be making strelets. So i think you best bet against ottos is dutch with portugal coming in second, but any civ can effectively beat an otto rush fairly easily.

Ok i decided to go with the dutch. But now I have a new problem: banks and skirms.

How many banks should I build? when should I build banks ? is it okay to use almost all of ur recources just to get those 1-2 bank up in colonial? How many skirms should I have?

I would also be happy if I got any strat for the dutch ( especially that famous 3 bank ff would be nice),  but please no nosense like that entrea_ maestras " 5 minute 5 tower up jeje.

other tips and hints for the dutch would also be helpful

i build banks as soon as i can after i build a barracks just because they sky rocket your eco. 

and 3 bank ff goes kinda like: get to age 2 as soon as possible (14-15 vills) age up with 400 wood politician, all vills on food except maybe 2-3 on gold.  when you age up ship 700 wood and build bank with wood crates from age up and shipment. once you have 3 banks gather resources to go age 3. If you need some extra gold for age up send 600 or 700 gold to help out b/c you want to reach age 3 as soon as possible.  Your already going to be slower than normal ffs.  And i usualy use the fast age politician so i still have a reasonable fortress time.

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Иван Грозный:

Mandem:

Comfortably russians. You will outnumber his jans with strelets at least 3 to 1. Then after the first rush is beaten, oprichniks can go to work on his slow spawning villies and damage his eco for good.

I hope taht was a joke...

A spahi FF its a GG for any russian player, IMO, I have played in vanilla, and I released, that ottos are like an anti-Russia.

Using Russians to kill ottos its like to try using strelets vs Gendarmes.

Spahi FF just rapes Russia or an abus mass combined with a few jans does the same...

I house you in to 10 pop and harras you, not letting you gather for Spahi's or Mamelukes. You might get the Spahi's out actually, but with superior numbers and micro (Cos + Musk into melee, strelet focus firing, against MICRO), I guess I could beat them. Then ofc the fact that I've been making villies peacefully and getting map control means that I out-econ you.

The better thing to do is go Jan + Hussar against Russia, Jans are solid and Hussars are really good vs strelets, and to an extent, musks.

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That's very stupid actually. your'e saying you're going to house me into 10 pop? Right, with .. strelets. By the time almost all russians attack (6-7), i'm already 1\4th to 3\4th of the way to fortress. I've yet to see a russian actually take down a tc by 8-8:30.  Herding will prevent you from raiding, and tc fire will rip apart cossacks and strelets.

Otto FF is plain and simple the best plan for ottos vs russia. shipped 2 falcs will take down forward BH, along with janis for cav protection and siege. Spahi go around and raid the pants off your vils while I push on to your TC and snipe at vils and any other people that may cause trouble. Abus will take put on more pressure to LI and HI as will cannons along with tearing down buildings.

Assuming the ottoman player produces mainly jans with some albus guns (like they usually do), dutch can counter quite easily with skirmishers and their 8 pikemen card. Since dutch have the ability to age slightly before the ottomans, the 8 pikemen can easily take out any forward bases they are attempting to construct while 5 or 10 skirmishers can defend your pikemen from jans. Keep raiding the ottoman settlers with 10 skirmishers (when they all fire at once, they kill 1 setter). Fortify with 2 outposts if they are outrushing you (it happens). Keep pumping skirmishers and you should be fine.

I don't even bother building banks with this strategy - the game's over too soon.