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pr0methi0us:

not to sure about japan being # 1...any fast rush civ can own japan.  ive been up against alot of japan players and it always seems that japan does bad against a good russian rush.

In the 2nd Lt. rank the russian has his hands full not getting housed, run out of hunts while microing his Cossaks and Strelets around your TC - thats not easy and mistakes are guaranteed.

Japan on the other hand can easily defend from a russian rush. Just age with one vill less and 5 vills on wonder, first card in colonial is 600 wood, 2nd is Yumi combat. Build Consulate+Rax and spam Jumis and a few clubs against the Cossaks, use your wood to shrine up all around the map easily outbooming the russian. The only hard thing to do is a little bit of micro around your TC to kill his cossaks. But you never need to take off your eyes from the area around your TC except for a few seconds when you build a shrine.

It's just that the standard Jap lamer play is not good against a Strelet/Cossak rush.

in order: Japan/India, Germans, Aztecs... imo aztec are underestimated by a lot of people.

A414A | Goodspeed:

in order: Japan/India, Germans, Aztecs... imo aztec are underestimated by a lot of people.

Aztec are only underrated because they are native, and few people play the natives on TAD, but i do agree that they are one of the top civs, maybe even better than germans.

once i decided to try the aztec, and on my second game with them(a unrated with a equally-rated friend) i could almost win, even barely knowing the civ, and using no actual strategy.

what is with you peolpe the portogese are the best because they start out with extra villagers and the cassadors and organ guns are amazing anti infatry units. Plus with the free town center after every age up coulped with a fortress and a factory are a perfect combo to support you colony after you revolt. but if you don't revolt and age to the imperial age the imperial gurarios (musketeers) kick ass and are great v.s. calvary, infantry, and buildings. finaly they get the best culvins (cannons) that have a longer range and are better v.s. infanty, calary, altillary, and buildings. the portogese kick extrem ass   

Dere is no best civilization! All civilizations are good! I like Aztecs

How much more range and attack do Portugese culvs have?

warlord101:

what is with you peolpe the portogese are the best because they start out with extra villagers and the cassadors and organ guns are amazing anti infatry units. Plus with the free town center after every age up coulped with a fortress and a factory are a perfect combo to support you colony after you revolt. but if you don't revolt and age to the imperial age the imperial gurarios (musketeers) kick ass and are great v.s. calvary, infantry, and buildings. finaly they get the best culvins (cannons) that have a longer range and are better v.s. infanty, calary, altillary, and buildings. the portogese kick extrem ass   

this post is *** legendary.

Hahaha. Most games don't last until Industrial so your post is null.

LOL what kind of genius thead is this.

*ROFL*

MicMan:

Dutch and Ports are abysmal really. Ports even more than dutch as they are just as weak but harder to play. These civs bonuses simply don't cut it. Banks are expensive and age 2 skirms are nothing special. Age 3 is ok (not great but ok) for both civs but usually they loose their game in Age 2.

LOL

pr0methi0us:

lol, 2nd lt and above is what i play, some maybe noobs, but im sure most will own u.

maybe so but perhaps you havn't seen all the REASONS that Japan is at the top.

i don't have time to list them and besides i have done it already. obviously you were too ignorent to listen

:P 

IMO, Iroquois is better than the Sepoy 10/10. Why?

 

1. Iroquois has a War Chief that has an incredible ability (also called Crackshot i think), that deals 90 damage over 3 area from distance. Also, it can have town destroyer, which makes it siege of about 300.

2. Iroquois can use the Fire pit to boost it's units' attack, get EXP for shipements, spawn travois, and the revive the WC and boost him. (Instead of costing gold for the indian monks)

3. The Iroquois rush is at 5:00 if well performed, with Shipment 6 Tomahawks + 5 WH trained Tomas + BB 5 Tomas. (Actually some use 7 Aennas or 4 Kanyas). So 16 Tomas + WC > 12 Sepoys, in terms of siege, in real combat it's pretty even, depends on who gets the building advantage and if the indians concentrate fire on the WC...

4. Iroquois Canoe is a fisherman who can shoot, isn't expensive and is great at controlling water for late-game. Also Travois can turn into farms & plantations, which is OP.

5. Finally, iro has 2 villager shipments, which will allow them to recover easier than India, and also all the Colonial  iroquois units cost food and wood, so no chance of running out of mines.

 

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MicMan: (Russia for instance does ok against Japan with a fast rush but sucks against India and Germany).

 

And no, Russia does suck against India, sepoys get eaten by strelets, sowars can't compete against cossacks, and russia can simpl bypass the agra to raze the town. Also if the game goes on, Russia does great in Fortress/Industrial (Oprichnikss, Factories => CANON, Fort control, instant HI, 1 pop cav, etc.) , as India will lose it's power with it's lack of upgrades.

A414A | Goodspeed:

warlord101:

what is with you peolpe the portogese are the best because they start out with extra villagers and the cassadors and organ guns are amazing anti infatry units. Plus with the free town center after every age up coulped with a fortress and a factory are a perfect combo to support you colony after you revolt. but if you don't revolt and age to the imperial age the imperial gurarios (musketeers) kick ass and are great v.s. calvary, infantry, and buildings. finaly they get the best culvins (cannons) that have a longer range and are better v.s. infanty, calary, altillary, and buildings. the portogese kick extrem ass   

this post is *** legendary.

1 extra villager doesnt make up for the lack of villager shipments IMO, and everything else thats been said, goodspeed has summed up nicely for us

IMO, the top civs in order are (excluding TWC)

Japan

India

British

German

Chineses (extra 20 population and flying crows are amzing in late game)

dutch (if played well)

Russians (Oprichniks are deadly, they have very strong anti infantry early game with strelets, and are powerful when mixed in with musk and cossacks for a rush)

French

Ottoman (lack of infantry)

spanish (shipment spam is good, but I personally dont like them, but they should be higher on anybody elses list)

Portugese (there good once they get to fortress, but there too weak against rushes)

Kaicha:

MicMan: (Russia for instance does ok against Japan with a fast rush but sucks against India and Germany).

 

And no, Russia does suck against India, sepoys get eaten by strelets, sowars can't compete against cossacks, and russia can simpl bypass the agra to raze the town. Also if the game goes on, Russia does great in Fortress/Industrial (Oprichnikss, Factories => CANON, Fort control, instant HI, 1 pop cav, etc.) , as India will lose it's power with it's lack of upgrades.

You know you don't have to make the agra right? And with dessert terror, sowar>cossack.

listen portigul lack of shipments what are you talking about they have a all the shipments plus they can also get 30 black wood indians as many times as they want and also did I forget to mention the jinites (Dragoons) that are the best anti calvery in the game and once more the culverin imperale (imperal culverins) are hte best and the most long ranged cannons in the game portigul kicks ass