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A Guide to stopping Gendarme spammers, by ~Matt~Kestrel~

British: Pick another civ, loser. Any hand infantry gets pwned by the splash, and the Dragoons on their own arent strong enough without micro, which lets face it u probably wont be doing against hordes.

French: Mix Dragoons in with your Gendarmes, and it should work out well.

Germans: Doppels + War Wagons = Gendarmes Pwnz0rd. Seriously, with 5.2 speed the doppels can easily score tons of kills, and war wagons can finish whats left.

Spanish: Unction Rodeleros or Dragoons, ur choice. Although it will be difficult either way...

Ports: Jinetes with a Guerriero meatshield might work, idk.

Dutch: Either mass ruyter or mass halbs, just make sure theyre in stagger mode so they take less splash damage. Actually do it for all melee infantry/ weak ranged cavalry here. Should have mentioned it earlier.

Russians: Mass Cav Archers followed by a batch of opris raiding simultaneously will do well.

Ottomans: Pick another civ, Jannies are very inefficient against cav, and the cav archers probably wont be strong enough.

Aztecs: ERKs with a Mass Puma Meatshield is probably the best option.

Iros: Taunt 21. Give up now imo, Musk Riders arent that good, Light cannons get pwned and Tomas are also very inefficient.

Sioux: Mass Rifle Rider/Bow Rider mix works well.

India: Howdahs, not Zamburaks. They dont have enough Hp to survive the splash unless microed.

China: Pick another civ, Chinese anti cav has always been crap, but Keshiks and Reformed Qiangs will work decently, if u can get the wood.

Japan: Hatamotos/Samurai and Yabusames pwn these guys. Just get the right BO and its smooth sailing.

Sesshoumaru:

Also, What happens if I throw in some hussars against them?

death will soon follow

 

Somehow, nobody mentioned this. If you're using dutch, halb meatshield with ruyters in back. Ruyters get completely pwned in melee. As most of the other civs, your going to want muskets in scatter mode with goons/cav archers in the back. Also, since he's probably going to have skirms a couple cannons or hussars should kill them with the right micro. Russia also has good anti-cav (well, fast produced anti-cav)  if you manage to build a blockhouse just back of the battle. Spam muskets like there's no tomorrow, and their cav archers are also royal guards, so will do better than normal. Remember, russian's instant infantry.

~ Matt ~ Kestrel ~:

A Guide to stopping Gendarme spammers, by ~Matt~Kestrel~

British: Pick another civ, loser. Any hand infantry gets pwned by the splash, and the Dragoons on their own arent strong enough without micro, which lets face it u probably wont be doing against hordes.

French: Mix Dragoons in with your Gendarmes, and it should work out well.

Germans: Doppels + War Wagons = Gendarmes Pwnz0rd. Seriously, with 5.2 speed the doppels can easily score tons of kills, and war wagons can finish whats left.

Spanish: Unction Rodeleros or Dragoons, ur choice. Although it will be difficult either way...

Ports: Jinetes with a Guerriero meatshield might work, idk.

Dutch: Either mass ruyter or mass halbs, just make sure theyre in stagger mode so they take less splash damage. Actually do it for all melee infantry/ weak ranged cavalry here. Should have mentioned it earlier.

Russians: Mass Cav Archers followed by a batch of opris raiding simultaneously will do well.

Ottomans: Pick another civ, Jannies are very inefficient against cav, and the cav archers probably wont be strong enough.

Aztecs: ERKs with a Mass Puma Meatshield is probably the best option.

Iros: Taunt 21. Give up now imo, Musk Riders arent that good, Light cannons get pwned and Tomas are also very inefficient.

Sioux: Mass Rifle Rider/Bow Rider mix works well.

India: Howdahs, not Zamburaks. They dont have enough Hp to survive the splash unless microed.

China: Pick another civ, Chinese anti cav has always been crap, but Keshiks and Reformed Qiangs will work decently, if u can get the wood.

Japan: Hatamotos/Samurai and Yabusames pwn these guys. Just get the right BO and its smooth sailing.

Corrections:

British: Musks and goons work if the enemy isn't insta training them with the native techs, the church upgrade and the card. If he is, you can still win if you kill his stables.

French: Fine, could also use halbs

Spanish: Fine

Ports: Jinites WITH MUSK MEATSHILED WTF ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT USE HALBS

Dutch: Fine, you could also mix these units if you wanted

Russians: Why not insta spam halbs from 3 indestructible forts? Thats unbeatable by any cav nothing can stop this short of cannons and skirms behind at least 5 layers of walls. This works extremely well. Your strat, sadly, doesn't

Ottomans: See my comments on brits, except ottos are even weaker

Aztecs: Well these won't have much of a problem with a 126 pop military and great units engage them like you said cept you should use skull knights as well if you can meanwhile send in stealth JPKs to kill the stables. Fire pit attack dance works wonders, as does fertility = spam your own anti cav

Iroquis: Same as brits

Suiox: WTF you talking about mix rifles and bows? These guys should have absolutly no problem their rifle riders can get an attack of about 300 with tepees + attack dance AND THE ANTI CAV MULTIPLIER that's 2 shot kill a fully upgraded gendarme most civs can't even do that to a base gendarme with cannons. No point mixing just spam out rifle riders. 

you should be able to stop any france gendarme spammer as otto....just age up fast and spam jans and abus (old otto rush) and dont let him get to age 3, pressure him and kill any vill that strays away from his TC.  Keep him housed and his eco will fall, GL.

The problem at hand here that nobody seems to realize is that Gendarmes can essentially take the role of oprichniks(sp?). However unlike opris, they don't suck at actually fighting.

This presents a problem. While they cost effectively lose to their counters, they win population effectively. Regardless of what you throw at them. Mix this with the ability to easily destroy buildings, and it is the end of your economy, as they can kill whatever army you have quickly then continue on to chew through your walls and eat your villagers. Especially if they are able to set up an instant cav spam stable near your base.

I'm going to assume you are all talking about treaty, since Gendarme spam is basically impossible in a standard supremacy game. Under such circumstances, unless you have a Portuguese on your team with the team wall card and 7+ layers of wall. There is no way to win vs. a French. Aside from of course being French yourself.

Of course I believe it should remain this way and no balance measures should be taken because they are well balanced in a standard supremacy game. 

Phoenixwi:

~ Matt ~ Kestrel ~:

A Guide to stopping Gendarme spammers, by ~Matt~Kestrel~

British: Pick another civ, loser. Any hand infantry gets pwned by the splash, and the Dragoons on their own arent strong enough without micro, which lets face it u probably wont be doing against hordes.

French: Mix Dragoons in with your Gendarmes, and it should work out well.

Germans: Doppels + War Wagons = Gendarmes Pwnz0rd. Seriously, with 5.2 speed the doppels can easily score tons of kills, and war wagons can finish whats left.

Spanish: Unction Rodeleros or Dragoons, ur choice. Although it will be difficult either way...

Ports: Jinetes with a Guerriero meatshield might work, idk.

Dutch: Either mass ruyter or mass halbs, just make sure theyre in stagger mode so they take less splash damage. Actually do it for all melee infantry/ weak ranged cavalry here. Should have mentioned it earlier.

Russians: Mass Cav Archers followed by a batch of opris raiding simultaneously will do well.

Ottomans: Pick another civ, Jannies are very inefficient against cav, and the cav archers probably wont be strong enough.

Aztecs: ERKs with a Mass Puma Meatshield is probably the best option.

Iros: Taunt 21. Give up now imo, Musk Riders arent that good, Light cannons get pwned and Tomas are also very inefficient.

Sioux: Mass Rifle Rider/Bow Rider mix works well.

India: Howdahs, not Zamburaks. They dont have enough Hp to survive the splash unless microed.

China: Pick another civ, Chinese anti cav has always been crap, but Keshiks and Reformed Qiangs will work decently, if u can get the wood.

Japan: Hatamotos/Samurai and Yabusames pwn these guys. Just get the right BO and its smooth sailing.

Corrections:

British: Musks and goons work if the enemy isn't insta training them with the native techs, the church upgrade and the card. If he is, you can still win if you kill his stables.

French: Fine, could also use halbs

Spanish: Fine

Ports: Jinites WITH MUSK MEATSHILED WTF ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT USE HALBS

Dutch: Fine, you could also mix these units if you wanted

Russians: Why not insta spam halbs from 3 indestructible forts? Thats unbeatable by any cav nothing can stop this short of cannons and skirms behind at least 5 layers of walls. This works extremely well. Your strat, sadly, doesn't

Ottomans: See my comments on brits, except ottos are even weaker

Aztecs: Well these won't have much of a problem with a 126 pop military and great units engage them like you said cept you should use skull knights as well if you can meanwhile send in stealth JPKs to kill the stables. Fire pit attack dance works wonders, as does fertility = spam your own anti cav

Iroquis: Same as brits

Suiox: WTF you talking about mix rifles and bows? These guys should have absolutly no problem their rifle riders can get an attack of about 300 with tepees + attack dance AND THE ANTI CAV MULTIPLIER that's 2 shot kill a fully upgraded gendarme most civs can't even do that to a base gendarme with cannons. No point mixing just spam out rifle riders. 

Corrections

Ports: Lol, halbs? A Royal Guard Musk would have about 90% of their hand attack and about 92% of their HP, whilst the others can get in ranged attacks whilst not directly under fire. At least 2 ranged attacks per unit is achievable, and that certainly makes up the difference, even if the ranged attack is only 70% of the strength.

Sioux: Despite this, Bow Riders are better against a pure Gendarme spam. However, add more rifle riders proportionally to the amount of musks/halbs he uses.

dopps

ok dops best, but for any other civ have a halb, musket, or cav in mele with ranged cav behind it, and dont let them attack ranged cav.

German dopps and War Wagons are the only way to truly stop gendarmes. Basically, my friend and i thought they were such an op, cheap, nooby unit in the game, that we just put in the "no french" rule. Yes, it did take out half of the NR players to play, but the games were so much more fair and fun.