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Coal Blooded:

What's the point of reviving a thread that was made way before the newest patch, addressing Japanese issues that was at least somewhat nerfed in the very same latest patch?

Japanese are not OP anymore. They're still good, but not OP.

+1 I beat japs last night in a nr40 game the dude kept spamming ashis and i as india i had 2 and more great bombards with me and a mixer of sepoy and gurka for meat shields and in a matter of 5min the jap play score dropped to 600 from 1300 but i after game i did have the most troops killed and made

Crazy guy:

Shrines compensate that. What makes them OP? well...

-The fact that they got the best wonders over any other asian civ, help as much as in early game as in late game.

-That their monks can build shrines everywhere, not being necessary to move villagers. Shrines aren't that expensive, and, thanks to a card, they can be cheap, be built everywhere, and be used as LOS.

-The tons of upgrades their units can get. At overall, their units are actually sucky, but, daimyos, shoguns + wonders = OP. At colonial, with the necessary upgrades, and cards. An Ashigaru can get the double of its attack.

-The fact that some of their cards can be sent twice.

-Their OP consulate. Every of their consulate is kinda OP. Ports can make them be able to FI sucessfully, japanese isolation, apart from giving all their units more attack, can make their barrack train 10 batches of units. And, finally, the dutch, can make them have OP european upgrades for late game.

-The fact that they are incredibly hard to raid, again, because they can't hunt.

-How their most powerful units that can train other units while in a battle.

Shrines may be good, but they come at a price. The Japs are very map dependant, so on a map with few hunts (like ozarks), shrine production will be low. And a slow economy means fewer units and upgrades, because, once again, their units are expensive. Also, they can't get factories or forts, (like the Chinese can). And since castles are not that good (in my opinion, at least), they lack in defense, and must rely on their military. They also have poor artillery. They flaming arrow is not that strong, and the morutaru is prone to attacks. And their consulate is not OP. There are several upgrades I find useless.

 EDIT: Accidently pressed the post button before I typed anything ;). The statement above is my argument.

Actually, If its a map like Ozarks then it will affect both players, but it will affect less the jap, why? Well, because the shrines are harder to raid, or at least losing them isn't as bad as losing villagers hunting. Also, most maps have nice hunts, Ozarks its just one of the few exceptions. Yes, they cant get forts, but, that's not really that important. Daimyios and Shoguns kinda conpensate that (even though, IMO, they are actually better, but w/e). As what it comes to factories, well their wonders > Factories + any other civ wonders. Their Consulate IS OP. Some Japanese isolation upgrades might be useless, but their units are quite usefull (pikemen, stelath archers with siege, ninjas, and, the hatamotos). But, the Dutch consulate gives them the most important euro techs. Spanish is kinda nice too.

Anyways, the point is, that every civilization has it's negative and its positive points. The difference is, that Japan has way much more bonuses. If you don't agree with that, well, you will have to argue with everyone who is 15++ in rank.

Berserker, ESO name Lord_9kk1:

What's the point of reviving a thread that was made way before the newest patch, addressing Japanese issues that was at least somewhat nerfed in the very same latest patch?

Japanese are not OP anymore. They're still good, but not OP.

Nice, someone actually uses his brain. I still remember what happened with Iroquois. They were nerfed radically, but the echo of "unbeatable OP Iroquois" still lasted for some time.

Lojzek:

Berserker, ESO name Lord_9kk1:

What's the point of reviving a thread that was made way before the newest patch, addressing Japanese issues that was at least somewhat nerfed in the very same latest patch?

Japanese are not OP anymore. They're still good, but not OP.

Nice, someone actually uses his brain. I still remember what happened with Iroquois. They were nerfed radically, but the echo of "unbeatable OP Iroquois" still lasted for some time.

yeah i hope "jap op" ends soon too

Lojzek:

Berserker, ESO name Lord_9kk1:

What's the point of reviving a thread that was made way before the newest patch, addressing Japanese issues that was at least somewhat nerfed in the very same latest patch?

Japanese are not OP anymore. They're still good, but not OP.

Nice, someone actually uses his brain. I still remember what happened with Iroquois. They were nerfed radically, but the echo of "unbeatable OP Iroquois" still lasted for some time.

back in the day....

KE da 4th:

Lojzek:

Berserker, ESO name Lord_9kk1:

What's the point of reviving a thread that was made way before the newest patch, addressing Japanese issues that was at least somewhat nerfed in the very same latest patch?

Japanese are not OP anymore. They're still good, but not OP.

Nice, someone actually uses his brain. I still remember what happened with Iroquois. They were nerfed radically, but the echo of "unbeatable OP Iroquois" still lasted for some time.

back in the day....

i wonder what civ is next 

Jap Ashis are still a little too powerful. Maybe not so much because of their actual hitpoints or their attack power, but because of their speed.

 Iroquois and Aztec can still rush a Euro civ before the Euro civ is able to produce any units or get their first shipment. They're also able to lock down the map faster (iro esp with travois) and keep you off of hunts/mines, which gives them a great advantage early.

Not saying any one of these things is "OP", as I understand late game both Aztecs and Iro's have serious issues. (Wood dependency and lack of unit/building types). 

But early game both of those civs are certainly extremely difficult to deal with.

 Also, Japans eco is *not* bad. In fact, it's super powerful and yes, it's difficult to raid.
                 

lucanious:

ashis got screwed in the last update right?

yes lol

they really have been weakened which is good

KE da 4th:

lucanious:

ashis got screwed in the last update right?

yes lol

they really have been weakened which is good

glad I play nilla 

Kapow:

KE da 4th:

lucanious:

ashis got screwed in the last update right?

yes lol

they really have been weakened which is good

 

glad I play nilla 

nilla sucks no decent cards, less civ choices, less maps etc 

Double post, sorry.

Thomas B:

Kapow:

KE da 4th:

lucanious:

ashis got screwed in the last update right?

yes lol

they really have been weakened which is good

 

glad I play nilla 

nilla sucks no decent cards, less civ choices, less maps etc 

Actually, nilla sucks for other reasons.

Civ choices I couldn't care less about. I only play 1 civ and it's a Euro civ.

The extra 5 cards are nice, but the card choices themselves aren't that big of a deal.

Some of the newer maps are nice. Mostly TWC maps. Most of the Asian maps I've seen I don't care much for.

A few of the big things I think are the actual balance changes made in later expansions. Like xbows getting 1.5x bonus vs HI. Also, the addition of the Saloon, and, while I don't normally use minor natives very much, I think the TWC minor natives are awesome. Those, and a few other minor changes to the game itself are what really make nilla kind of lame. That and all of the f$%king noob bashers and A-holes.