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yeah i was just putting it out there that alot of russian spammers just die vs sioux in a team game lol cuz strelets cant do anything against RR cuz of wakina and cav archers suck against other ranegd cav and they also get owned by wakina so in a heads up fight sioux rapes russia so hard core

jayve98:

yeah i was just putting it out there that alot of russian spammers just die vs sioux in a team game lol cuz strelets cant do anything against RR cuz of wakina and cav archers suck against other ranegd cav and they also get owned by wakina so in a heads up fight sioux rapes russia so hard core

cav archer dont suck vs other ranged cav , once metis did testing in scenario editor and found that cav archer beat dragoons easily , but if u are saying cav archer vs rr (with tepee) , than its tough to tell , rr are way expensive than cav archer (much more in tern of vs as sioux gold gathering is crap) and cav archer has bonus vs rr , without tepee cav archer will beat rr very cost effectively

 

 

jayve98:

pocahontas_:

To sum up Sioux eco= extremely lame lol but you'll never run out of resources with them unless your using them wrong. Sioux can cut wood the fastest out of the civs though so that is really nice on a heavy wood map, other then that there a slow on resources

Actually sioux are excellent hunters. With an extra age 2 hunting card and the wise woman age up, they gather from herds very fast. The problem is that they have only one mill card and 0 plantation cards. That is one of the reasons i have always though sioux should have an infinite bison shipment. The wise woman going to age 5 gives you a 40% bonus to hunting. Im not sure, so correct me if im wrong, but i think they have the fastest or one of the fastest gathering speeds from hunts with all cards. 

 

main prob with sioux eco is they are gathering with only 74 villi , in compare to 99-119 of other civs , and natives plantation upgrade tech  are crap with no platation card sioux golg gathering is worst , sioux food gathering is not so bad 

SO, at the end of the day cav archers still have no purpose in a ottomans army or a russian.

ya  true , same is with zam and bow rider in treaty , and lb in milky treaty

Why would you only use 74 percent of your villagers? Sioux eco is slow it would be way more tactical for you make all 99 villagers and have them gathering resources

 

ANKUR:

jayve98:

yeah i was just putting it out there that alot of russian spammers just die vs sioux in a team game lol cuz strelets cant do anything against RR cuz of wakina and cav archers suck against other ranegd cav and they also get owned by wakina so in a heads up fight sioux rapes russia so hard core

cav archer dont suck vs other ranged cav , once metis did testing in scenario editor and found that cav archer beat dragoons easily , but if u are saying cav archer vs rr (with tepee) , than its tough to tell , rr are way expensive than cav archer (much more in tern of vs as sioux gold gathering is crap) and cav archer has bonus vs rr , without tepee cav archer will beat rr very cost effectively

 

 

jayve98:

pocahontas_:

To sum up Sioux eco= extremely lame lol but you'll never run out of resources with them unless your using them wrong. Sioux can cut wood the fastest out of the civs though so that is really nice on a heavy wood map, other then that there a slow on resources

Actually sioux are excellent hunters. With an extra age 2 hunting card and the wise woman age up, they gather from herds very fast. The problem is that they have only one mill card and 0 plantation cards. That is one of the reasons i have always though sioux should have an infinite bison shipment. The wise woman going to age 5 gives you a 40% bonus to hunting. Im not sure, so correct me if im wrong, but i think they have the fastest or one of the fastest gathering speeds from hunts with all cards. 

 

main prob with sioux eco is they are gathering with only 74 villi , in compare to 99-119 of other civs , and natives plantation upgrade tech  are crap with no platation card sioux golg gathering is worst , sioux food gathering is not so bad 

You make all of your vills but if youre fighting then you absolutely HAVE to have 25 on the fire pit. before tr ends you should have only 6 on the fire pit unless ur getting dogs in which you should have 25 on fp then move them back to gathering when u have enough dogs but if u dont have them dancing during fight u will drain faster than if u had them gathering since ur untis will die more

ANKUR:

ya  true , same is with zam and bow rider in treaty , and lb in milky treaty

I dont think Zambs are bad.  The problem with them is they take too long to train.  They have low hp but they ****ing dominate hand cav. 

thatz exjectly what me and lordstefan saying , u can talk whole day how gud is zam , br , cr , but they have practically no(or only little) use in treaty army

 

@tacticalwillie, becoz u need 25 villi on fp during whole fight , and quite a time before 40min too

ive always thought bow riders were great but rifle riders do everything they do better so why not use them? I mean i guess in sup bow riders are a lot mroe useful since theyre cheaper and available in age 2 but in tr i can think of no reason at all to use them over rifle riders.

I see the firepit gives you a lot higher attack and siege with sioux thank you

Whether they're better TR than RR is unknown to me. Basically how the civ is played is you spam wakina and hardly need anti cav. RR are better but they also cost a lot and get wrecked by skirms just the same. There of course is a price difference, but with how little you use either of the units, it wouldn't seem like a large impact. I personally have use RR over BR in my very few amount of Sioux games (I wasn't that bad with them) and never really made more than 5-10 at a single time when an opponent would spam cav, which is stupid vs Sioux BTW. I like how this thread has gone compete off topic, I saw it coming.

actually you should always have a few rifle riders out in case the enemy spams cav and if theyre making a lot of skirms then u make some axes, but i usually try to keep it with just wakina and RR but if they go heavy on skirms you dont really have a choice but to make axes.

Actually you don't, and you don't need axes either. These things will ensure that you drain. Wakina will deal with any small amount of cav. And like I said if they're making large amounts of cav then you just make 5-10 RR, also if they're making large amounts of cav they fail.

Also I forgot to add that RR are more ideal for dealing with artillery that you cant reach, don't have your explorer, or are very vulnerable.

jayve98:

ive always thought bow riders were great but rifle riders do everything they do better so why not use them? I mean i guess in sup bow riders are a lot mroe useful since theyre cheaper and available in age 2 but in tr i can think of no reason at all to use them over rifle riders.

rr has rof1.5 with no setup animation , thatz the biggest advantage they got  and they have x6multiplier against artilary 

 

 

LordStefanIII:

<p>Actually you don't, and you don't need axes either. These things will ensure that you drain. Wakina will deal with any small amount of cav. And like I said if they're making large amounts of cav then you just make 5-10 RR, also if they're making large amounts of cav they fail.<br></p><p>Also I forgot to add that RR are more ideal for dealing with artillery that you cant reach, don't have your explorer, or are very vulnerable.<br></p>

+!

wakina do everything , may be u can have a few 4-5 rr , but keep them behind and protect them from enemy ski , making cav(too many) is the way to get drained with sioux ,

btw if i need axe than i use to infinite 6 axe rider 

i think it get max resourse value with sioux infinite card, and can give u some axe to puch enemy ski , otherwise i will ship infinite wood 

I vote otto because they arent that good.