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  •  07-16-2012, 7:30 PM 961895 in reply to 961863
    Metis Metis is not online. Last active: Thu, Dec 26 2013, 1:38 AM
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    Subject: Re: how to beat the portuguese in nr 40/55

    J McMillin:
    why did you make 71 pikes?

    <Unit id ='285' name ='Pikeman'>

    • <DamageBonus type ='AbstractLightInfantry'>3.500000</DamageBonus>

    <Unit id ='942' name ='ypNatRattanShield'>

    • <UnitType>AbstractLightInfantry</UnitType>
  •  07-16-2012, 7:39 PM 961898 in reply to 961895
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    Subject: Re: how to beat the portuguese in nr 40/55
    So it does better than a dopple vs rattans?

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  •  07-16-2012, 8:00 PM 961903 in reply to 961898
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    Subject: Re: how to beat the portuguese in nr 40/55

    TheKillerClown_Sucks:
    So it does better than a dopple vs rattans?

    they must or metis wouldn't use them. he KNOWS the stats. it makes some sense if they have higher bonus vs light infantry then dopple caus with the cards germans have 2nd best pikes behind spain (OH BOY!)


    kittychix:

    If you know your behaviour or language is going to result in a ban, and continue with the actions anyway...you are heading in a direction of less then temporary action.

  •  07-16-2012, 8:41 PM 961906 in reply to 961903
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    Subject: Re: how to beat the portuguese in nr 40/55
    Doing the math, a pike has about 39 damage vs rattans, dopp has 80. That could be slightly off, but only on the upgrade they both get (veteran). Use the dopps.
  •  07-16-2012, 9:17 PM 961909 in reply to 961906
    J McMillin J McMillin is not online. Last active: 03-11-2014, 1:01 AM
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    Subject: Re: how to beat the portuguese in nr 40/55
    what about ww?

    kittychix:

    If you know your behaviour or language is going to result in a ban, and continue with the actions anyway...you are heading in a direction of less then temporary action.

  •  07-16-2012, 10:04 PM 961921 in reply to 961786
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    Subject: Re: how to beat the portuguese in nr 40/55
    Metis:
    TacticalWillie:

    Dopps> Jinettes

    Uhlans> Cass

    = GG

    Conversely,

    Jinettes > Uhlans

    Cass > Dopps

    It's not as simple as you make it out to be.

    Actually Metis, as I explained before, dop ulhan > skirm goon 

  •  07-16-2012, 10:08 PM 961922 in reply to 961921
    Milky__ Milky__ is not online. Last active: Tue, Dec 17 2013, 7:26 PM
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    Subject: Re: how to beat the portuguese in nr 40/55

    WW are a high pop and high res costing unit, you don't want to waste them against rattans. Dops have AOE damage so it makes it much more worth while. I suppose if you were veeerry low on coin then you could make pikes but rattan would probably still outclass them. 

    Also, Scott, I don't look much at total res. IIRC, usually I have 50 - 60k food, 10 - 12k wood and 60 - 75k coin. It's been a very long time though. This would usually get me mid 2500s. 

  •  07-16-2012, 11:13 PM 961930 in reply to 961922
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    Subject: Re: how to beat the portuguese in nr 40/55
    do you prefer dragoons to ww? i definetly prefer dragoons caus theyre more mobile easier to micro etc. what do you think?

    kittychix:

    If you know your behaviour or language is going to result in a ban, and continue with the actions anyway...you are heading in a direction of less then temporary action.

  •  07-16-2012, 11:25 PM 961931 in reply to 961930
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    Subject: Re: how to beat the portuguese in nr 40/55
    WW are good for their purpose. I'd prefer WW against a spain, I'd prefer goon against most others. WW are one of the only units that counter lancers enough to withstand spain's heavy push.
  •  07-17-2012, 12:08 AM 961934 in reply to 961931
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    Subject: Re: how to beat the portuguese in nr 40/55
    The higher pop ranged cav seems to be better. 2 WW > 3 Dragoon > 6 Ruyter. Not to mention 6 ruyter cost way more than 2 ww. Just from what I've experience with the Dutch and certain MU's.

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  •  07-17-2012, 1:12 AM 961938 in reply to 961934
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    Subject: Re: how to beat the portuguese in nr 40/55

    TheKillerClown_Sucks:
    The higher pop ranged cav seems to be better. 2 WW > 3 Dragoon > 6 Ruyter. Not to mention 6 ruyter cost way more than 2 ww. Just from what I've experience with the Dutch and certain MU's.

    what about howdah? and i personally prefer ruyter to goons but i do like WW more than goons too. im not sure why i like ruyter more though. just find it more effective. but my favorite is definitely rifle riders :D 


    dcdonnie4:

    The more costeffective army can win vs a more expensive (better unit) because they can just keep throwing them at the other player.

  •  07-17-2012, 1:35 AM 961941 in reply to 961938
    TheKillerClown_Sucks TheKillerClown_Sucks is not online. Last active: 12-11-2013, 6:52 PM
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    Subject: Re: how to beat the portuguese in nr 40/55

    I wouldn't know, I'm pretty bad with India, but I try to convince myself that it's the civ, and not me LOL.

    I remember a topic a couple years ago where ranged cav was debated, and from the info I remember from that thread, and my own experience: Higher Pop ranged cav are better vs lower pop ranged cav, eg dragoons or ww beat ruyter in terms of effectiveness. But the Ruyters are suppose to do better against Cav. I sort of have to disagree with this tho, since Ruyters are awful vs British Hussars. Thats why I sort of believe the higher pop ranged cav units are better than the lower pop ones. Regardless of whatever theory may suggest that ruyters are superior to dragoons such as a combined overall attack/hp, ect. In practice it doesn't seem to be true.


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  •  07-17-2012, 3:04 AM 961969 in reply to 961941
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    Subject: Re: how to beat the portuguese in nr 40/55
    TheKillerClown_Sucks:

    I wouldn't know, I'm pretty bad with India, but I try to convince myself that it's the civ, and not me LOL.

    I remember a topic a couple years ago where ranged cav was debated, and from the info I remember from that thread, and my own experience: Higher Pop ranged cav are better vs lower pop ranged cav, eg dragoons or ww beat ruyter in terms of effectiveness. But the Ruyters are suppose to do better against Cav. I sort of have to disagree with this tho, since Ruyters are awful vs British Hussars. Thats why I sort of believe the higher pop ranged cav units are better than the lower pop ones. Regardless of whatever theory may suggest that ruyters are superior to dragoons such as a combined overall attack/hp, ect. In practice it doesn't seem to be true.

    i think i might know what youre talking about but i only remember it comparing howdah to sowar. and actually i think the lower pop as long as u could sustain it without draining would be more effective, since the lower the pop the more expensive it gets. but for dutch they cant sustain for that long. not sure. maybe its just everyones own opinion :D 


    dcdonnie4:

    The more costeffective army can win vs a more expensive (better unit) because they can just keep throwing them at the other player.

  •  07-17-2012, 3:42 AM 961972 in reply to 961969
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    Subject: Re: how to beat the portuguese in nr 40/55
    Ruyters do ok they just aren't cost effective at all, having waaay less stats for only 15 less coin (that is the only issue with them tbh)
  •  07-17-2012, 8:04 AM 961981 in reply to 961922
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    Subject: Re: how to beat the portuguese in nr 40/55
    i can see why you wouldnt look at resource count because its not necessary (i only do because i wondered how close i could get to french eco as it dissappointed me when from french to german was like 100,000 resource drop at least). that amount in relation to the score seems right, oh and was it you who mentioned natives? i used natives the other day and it was pretty sweet having like 30 free guys. but can they really stand up to european units? also how do uhlans and dopps beat dragoons and skirms? if they just mirco it its over (but then if germasn micro itd be over for them too?) just seems there could be a more effective way where it doesnt drop to micro (but i see how if the uhlkans hit the skirms its a problem just as if the dopps hit the dragoons, but dopps are also a prob if they hit skirms so they have to leave the goons their i guess?)

    TacticalWillie:
    No pikes are not half as good as dopps, for one they don't have a giant OP sword do they? nooo they only have a silly looking stick with a knife on the end and they don't even have a cool looking hat either!
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