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J McMillin:

why did you make 71 pikes?

<Unit id ='285' name ='Pikeman'>

• <DamageBonus type ='AbstractLightInfantry'>3.500000</DamageBonus>

<Unit id ='942' name ='ypNatRattanShield'>

• <UnitType>AbstractLightInfantry</UnitType>

So it does better than a dopple vs rattans?

TheKillerClown_Sucks:

So it does better than a dopple vs rattans?

they must or metis wouldn't use them. he KNOWS the stats. it makes some sense if they have higher bonus vs light infantry then dopple caus with the cards germans have 2nd best pikes behind spain (OH BOY!)

Doing the math, a pike has about 39 damage vs rattans, dopp has 80. That could be slightly off, but only on the upgrade they both get (veteran). Use the dopps.

what about ww?

Metis:

TacticalWillie:

Dopps> Jinettes

Uhlans> Cass

= GG

Conversely,

Jinettes > Uhlans

Cass > Dopps

It's not as simple as you make it out to be.

Actually Metis, as I explained before, dop ulhan > skirm goon 

WW are a high pop and high res costing unit, you don't want to waste them against rattans. Dops have AOE damage so it makes it much more worth while. I suppose if you were veeerry low on coin then you could make pikes but rattan would probably still outclass them. 

Also, Scott, I don't look much at total res. IIRC, usually I have 50 - 60k food, 10 - 12k wood and 60 - 75k coin. It's been a very long time though. This would usually get me mid 2500s. 

do you prefer dragoons to ww? i definetly prefer dragoons caus theyre more mobile easier to micro etc. what do you think?

WW are good for their purpose. I'd prefer WW against a spain, I'd prefer goon against most others. WW are one of the only units that counter lancers enough to withstand spain's heavy push.

The higher pop ranged cav seems to be better. 2 WW > 3 Dragoon > 6 Ruyter. Not to mention 6 ruyter cost way more than 2 ww. Just from what I've experience with the Dutch and certain MU's.

TheKillerClown_Sucks:

The higher pop ranged cav seems to be better. 2 WW > 3 Dragoon > 6 Ruyter. Not to mention 6 ruyter cost way more than 2 ww. Just from what I've experience with the Dutch and certain MU's.

what about howdah? and i personally prefer ruyter to goons but i do like WW more than goons too. im not sure why i like ruyter more though. just find it more effective. but my favorite is definitely rifle riders :D 

I wouldn't know, I'm pretty bad with India, but I try to convince myself that it's the civ, and not me LOL.

I remember a topic a couple years ago where ranged cav was debated, and from the info I remember from that thread, and my own experience: Higher Pop ranged cav are better vs lower pop ranged cav, eg dragoons or ww beat ruyter in terms of effectiveness. But the Ruyters are suppose to do better against Cav. I sort of have to disagree with this tho, since Ruyters are awful vs British Hussars. Thats why I sort of believe the higher pop ranged cav units are better than the lower pop ones. Regardless of whatever theory may suggest that ruyters are superior to dragoons such as a combined overall attack/hp, ect. In practice it doesn't seem to be true.

TheKillerClown_Sucks:

I wouldn't know, I'm pretty bad with India, but I try to convince myself that it's the civ, and not me LOL.

I remember a topic a couple years ago where ranged cav was debated, and from the info I remember from that thread, and my own experience: Higher Pop ranged cav are better vs lower pop ranged cav, eg dragoons or ww beat ruyter in terms of effectiveness. But the Ruyters are suppose to do better against Cav. I sort of have to disagree with this tho, since Ruyters are awful vs British Hussars. Thats why I sort of believe the higher pop ranged cav units are better than the lower pop ones. Regardless of whatever theory may suggest that ruyters are superior to dragoons such as a combined overall attack/hp, ect. In practice it doesn't seem to be true.

i think i might know what youre talking about but i only remember it comparing howdah to sowar. and actually i think the lower pop as long as u could sustain it without draining would be more effective, since the lower the pop the more expensive it gets. but for dutch they cant sustain for that long. not sure. maybe its just everyones own opinion :D 

Ruyters do ok they just aren't cost effective at all, having waaay less stats for only 15 less coin (that is the only issue with them tbh)

i can see why you wouldnt look at resource count because its not necessary (i only do because i wondered how close i could get to french eco as it dissappointed me when from french to german was like 100,000 resource drop at least). that amount in relation to the score seems right, oh and was it you who mentioned natives? i used natives the other day and it was pretty sweet having like 30 free guys. but can they really stand up to european units? also how do uhlans and dopps beat dragoons and skirms? if they just mirco it its over (but then if germasn micro itd be over for them too?) just seems there could be a more effective way where it doesnt drop to micro (but i see how if the uhlkans hit the skirms its a problem just as if the dopps hit the dragoons, but dopps are also a prob if they hit skirms so they have to leave the goons their i guess?)