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polpettone_della_nonna_2:

Funny thing,european were surprised by ferocius american natives or by the fighting skill of the tenacious philippines indigenous (who later trashed samurai mercenaries used by spain and portugal when they were in war),but they never be surprised or amazed from samurai skill or sword...maybe more of their geisha

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+ Japan's history and warfare is so overrated

Lazurath:

Wilson_teh_Great:

armored 

And you call yourself Australian....

-.-

The auto spell check took issue with "armoured" so I was like okay whatever just correct the spelling for me.

i eat ww:

polpettone_della_nonna_2:

Funny thing,european were surprised by ferocius american natives or by the fighting skill of the tenacious philippines indigenous (who later trashed samurai mercenaries used by spain and portugal when they were in war),but they never be surprised or amazed from samurai skill or sword...maybe more of their geisha

true

+ Japan's history and warfare is so overrated

 

lol!! you kids are just a brunch of clowns.

Native american warriors Impressed the Europe colony army?? and you know? kids native americans fought to survive not to impress. europe surpassed every civilization at that time by fire arms and they probably to busy counting on how many native tribes they massacred than been impressed.  BTW Be samurai or whatever, any country decide to use melee against guns and cannons will suffer the same fate.  oh wait a min, is this has anything to do with this topic? 

 

When they first arrived to the americas their guns impresses the natives. But just about all natives rejected firearms until repeated rifles came out. Because their archaic missile weapons were better.

Dude, i agree with you at 100%, the dopp is much better than a samurai. in real life both never fought each other, but to me, commonly a western knight is usually stronger than a samurai, their armor are in some ways very similar to each other(they are both strong). but the sword makes the difference, the katana is very fast, but not powerfull and heavy as the western sword, so it could be stoped by a heavy armor(not always). but the dopp sword is bigger and heavier than the katana, so a hit made by a german dopp is a sure death for anyone lol, really!!!

Now wait a second, can't we just simply look at all the % bonuses from both sides to see which gets better? I mean I'm sure we've all noticed how some of the stronger units in game get a 30% bonus from their Industrial age upgrades rather than a 10% bonus that all other normal units get. So why can't it be the same with cards?

 

Just look at the numbers:

 

Dopplers can get a total of an 80% damage increase from home shipments, as well as a 50% HP increase. Add in the typical % increases from aging up, and they're more than doubling what they start out with.

 Add into this that a Dopple gets 20% increase in the Fortress age, a 30% increase in the Industrial age (can someone confirm this for me?), and a 50% in the Imperial.

 

 

Now I'm no expert on Japan's techs, but I'm looking at the home shipments and only seeing a 40% increase to HP and attack.

 Samurais, I believe, also get the same 20%-30%-50% increases throughout the ages, exactly like the dopples.

 

The main difference between a Dopple and a Samurai is that the Samurai has high attack. However, that doesn't neccesarily hold true, because it seems like the Dopples get 80% damage and 50% HP increases from home shipments, whereas the Samurai only get 40% to both.

 

Again, people should test it for themselves, but the Dopple seems to get a lot more % increases than the Samurai. It's hard to tell, really, because Japan does have a lot of auras and other effects that aren't so easily measured. But just looking at the numbers here, it looks like Dopples are stronger...Even if they aren't, I can definitely tell you these two units are so close to each other that it's pointless in a REAL situation, simply because they'd destroy each other anyways.

 

 

 

 

 

I'm actually trying to calculate all the stats out right now, and...wow. They're coming out EXACTLY even. 

in the game i will put my money on the samurai.

in a real life combat i will put my money on the dopple.

indian.sepoy:

in the game i will put my money on the samurai.

in a real life combat i will put my money on the dopple.

i agree but to the retard that said doppels lose to urumi and jags is a No Duh situation jaguar and urumi  are meant to counter heavy infantry. and also doppels have a 3Xbonus vs cav not a 2X .

Samurai are simply overrated its a western facination with the east. in ww2 japanese used katanas to charge us troops but look who won the only effective use of the katana in ww2 was the mass murders of allied pows in bataan.

 

oh yeah and it might change since japan is clearly op at thiis time japan samurai may be changed

need blance:

you ppl are ridiculously silly and wrong, a brunch of privates and corporals most likely. get a clue. at least try them at editor. 

no way 20 dopple stand a chance against 20 samurais(if attack at same time) 

 20 samurai will slay 20 Dopp so easily that you wouldn't like to believe. 

 attack power speaking, dopple at peak + saolingen steel has 54ish, but samrui with all upgrades(include japan isolation + tower melee) will have 84ish attack power,

 dopp do have x1 more area demage and slightly more hit points but samurai has 0.30 damage resistance while dopp only has .20. that makes a huge difference. send dopp to melee combat the smaurai in equal number is no other than suicide. 

 

Yeah this game does need "blance" lololol

wow, i  can't believe this thread is still a live,

 anyways, i tested in the game and sam does better than dopp, but after the combat, sam only has a little hp left.

Yeah I've tested it too, and like I said, each time I get one side barely surviving (as in, one or two units with very little HP).

 

If I look at it though, with all the calculations, it seems like the Samurai would win just because the Japanese have those auras to factor in. So a monk or Daiymo tips it from dead even to slightly in Samurai's favor.

The only way I could be wrong on this is if in some way, a Dopple's ability to hit more than one unit at once is stronger than a Samurai's.

 

 

Still, again, don't ever realistically counter Dopples with Samurai or vice versa. You won't get anywhere.