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Right right. India is OP at the early levels, but as the game prolongs it certainly is not the winner. I do think people in supremacy like to win the game by level IV. Now my point is that once both parties hit level V the difference starts to show. More upgrades to the next guy will make the opponents army stronger and more agile than India's. Also, personnally I do not like the idea of loosing let's say 7-10 elephants in battle and going back to 130 pop in matter of seconds. IMO the setting is just all wrong -- India has too much of volatility!

Now this brings back the argument of unit pop costs. How many elephants would you suggest using in attack. I try to make it 10, (6 Howdah and 4 Siege) as close as to the cap as possible, but maybe my approach is all wrong. Maybe I should use max. 5 elephants and the rest on sepoy or gurkha. I really can't tell, because the India gets rammed by any other civ army regardless of choices.  

Also how many of you use the infinite 3 Howdah card. I use it every now and then, but it spends ridiculous amount of time to deliver the elephants in critical moments. 

Sorry I love the micro management aspect of India, but I think the CIV has too many weaknesses to overcome.      

ChiefM

^ we're talking about supremacy so it's kinda useless to compare india's late game army to japan's late game army since most the fighting will probably take place in colonial and fortress.

If you're fighting with un-even armies, your units aren't the problem, nor is your micro. It's your macro. Spend all of your resources asap and save only when you need an expensive tech. Make sure you allocate your vills so they gather what you need when you need it. By doing this you'll have a correct army in the correct delay and will be able to fight on even footing. That said, it can be hard to macro right, so go to www.agesanctuary.com and download some recs to see how other people allocate their villagers and their build orders. =)

SunilD93:

if you can't get at his villagers go harass his shrines, those are part of his eco as well. You should also take map control as you will be faster.

Shrine Cost = 125 wood &  HP = 1600

Villager Cost = 100 food & HP = 150 (202 after upgrade)

What is easier to kill, 1 shrine or 1 villager ??? 

JRFoxe:

I was playing against Japan earlier. He had his first attack on me. He had like 26 jap musketeers, and 5 samurai. I had 18 of those Indian Skirms and 11 sepoys. His army crushed mine. How is that possible? Sepoy and Musketeers should be a close match, and the skirms should destroy them, and the samurai. What should I do next time to counter those units?

You must have an awful micro, lol.

Babri:

SunilD93:

if you can't get at his villagers go harass his shrines, those are part of his eco as well. You should also take map control as you will be faster.

Shrine Cost = 125 wood &  HP = 1600

Villager Cost = 100 food & HP = 150 (202 after upgrade)

What is easier to kill, 1 shrine or 1 villager ??? 

The shrine of course. It can't run away and if the Jap player wants it alive he needs to fight... which can be to your advantage, if you're smart. Villies are easy to garrison and Japanese vills are particularly hard to kill.

Thanks for the insightful post Sunil. ;)

SunilD93:

^ we're talking about supremacy so it's kinda useless to compare india's late game army to japan's late game army since most the fighting will probably take place in colonial and fortress.

 nice to see another intelligent being on this forum

お忍び:

Babri:

SunilD93:

if you can't get at his villagers go harass his shrines, those are part of his eco as well. You should also take map control as you will be faster.

Shrine Cost = 125 wood &  HP = 1600

Villager Cost = 100 food & HP = 150 (202 after upgrade)

What is easier to kill, 1 shrine or 1 villager ??? 

The shrine of course. It can't run away and if the Jap player wants it alive he needs to fight... which can be to your advantage, if you're smart. Villies are easy to garrison and Japanese vills are particularly hard to kill.

Thanks for the insightful post Sunil. ;)

Actually I was specifically comparing killing hunters as compared to Shrines. I made the point that Jap have no hunters so difficult to raid. Thats why I posted all this calculation. And remember hunters are usually away from TC. 

Babri:

お忍び:

Babri:

SunilD93:

if you can't get at his villagers go harass his shrines, those are part of his eco as well. You should also take map control as you will be faster.

Shrine Cost = 125 wood &  HP = 1600

Villager Cost = 100 food & HP = 150 (202 after upgrade)

What is easier to kill, 1 shrine or 1 villager ??? 

The shrine of course. It can't run away and if the Jap player wants it alive he needs to fight... which can be to your advantage, if you're smart. Villies are easy to garrison and Japanese vills are particularly hard to kill.

Thanks for the insightful post Sunil. ;)

Actually I was specifically comparing killing hunters as compared to Shrines. I made the point that Jap have no hunters so difficult to raid. Thats why I posted all this calculation. And remember hunters are usually away from TC. 

Remember that good players herd their hunts so they're right next to or behind the TC. Remember that villies can run away and can garrison, Shrines cannot. It's probably easier to kill a shrine than hunting villies. :/

お忍び:

Babri:

お忍び:

Babri:

SunilD93:

if you can't get at his villagers go harass his shrines, those are part of his eco as well. You should also take map control as you will be faster.

Shrine Cost = 125 wood &  HP = 1600

Villager Cost = 100 food & HP = 150 (202 after upgrade)

What is easier to kill, 1 shrine or 1 villager ??? 

The shrine of course. It can't run away and if the Jap player wants it alive he needs to fight... which can be to your advantage, if you're smart. Villies are easy to garrison and Japanese vills are particularly hard to kill.

Thanks for the insightful post Sunil. ;)

Actually I was specifically comparing killing hunters as compared to Shrines. I made the point that Jap have no hunters so difficult to raid. Thats why I posted all this calculation. And remember hunters are usually away from TC. 

Remember that good players herd their hunts so they're right next to or behind the TC. Remember that villies can run away and can garrison, Shrines cannot. It's probably easier to kill a shrine than hunting villies. :/

Taunt 1

 

unless back herding happens :( :( 

SunilD93:

お忍び:

Babri:

お忍び:

Babri:

SunilD93:

if you can't get at his villagers go harass his shrines, those are part of his eco as well. You should also take map control as you will be faster.

Shrine Cost = 125 wood &  HP = 1600

Villager Cost = 100 food & HP = 150 (202 after upgrade)

What is easier to kill, 1 shrine or 1 villager ??? 

The shrine of course. It can't run away and if the Jap player wants it alive he needs to fight... which can be to your advantage, if you're smart. Villies are easy to garrison and Japanese vills are particularly hard to kill.

Thanks for the insightful post Sunil. ;)

Actually I was specifically comparing killing hunters as compared to Shrines. I made the point that Jap have no hunters so difficult to raid. Thats why I posted all this calculation. And remember hunters are usually away from TC. 

Remember that good players herd their hunts so they're right next to or behind the TC. Remember that villies can run away and can garrison, Shrines cannot. It's probably easier to kill a shrine than hunting villies. :/

Taunt 1

 

unless back herding happens :( :( 

japan can;t hunt, and most smart japan players make thier cherry orchards next to their TC so they can easily jump straight into the TC and allow less space for quick sieging.

Im_not_1x1:

SunilD93:

お忍び:

Babri:

お忍び:

Babri:

SunilD93:

if you can't get at his villagers go harass his shrines, those are part of his eco as well. You should also take map control as you will be faster.

Shrine Cost = 125 wood &  HP = 1600

Villager Cost = 100 food & HP = 150 (202 after upgrade)

What is easier to kill, 1 shrine or 1 villager ??? 

The shrine of course. It can't run away and if the Jap player wants it alive he needs to fight... which can be to your advantage, if you're smart. Villies are easy to garrison and Japanese vills are particularly hard to kill.

Thanks for the insightful post Sunil. ;)

Actually I was specifically comparing killing hunters as compared to Shrines. I made the point that Jap have no hunters so difficult to raid. Thats why I posted all this calculation. And remember hunters are usually away from TC. 

Remember that good players herd their hunts so they're right next to or behind the TC. Remember that villies can run away and can garrison, Shrines cannot. It's probably easier to kill a shrine than hunting villies. :/

Taunt 1

 

unless back herding happens :( :( 

japan can;t hunt, and most smart japan players make thier cherry orchards next to their TC so they can easily jump straight into the TC and allow less space for quick sieging.

damn, i always build forward cherry orchards for map control :( 

^ that explains so much sunnub

Lol the thread starter will never read this :p. If he had posted this after the recent RE patch he probably could have won without micro since the only thing Ashis have over Sepoys now is speed.