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dead explorer wont help though spies/agents will do alright(not the spies tech but that works better if u want to get it). but eagles don't kill skirms cost effectively. but they do alright though. if i could use coyote runners i would but to bad u run out of wood for those.

test it out for yourself, make sure you do wardance tho. 50 eagles vs 50 volitigers that are fully upgraded.

well ya but the other civs will be able to make replacements alot quicker and soon u will be on the loosing end if you don't have the dance on faster unit build. even on andeas with the faster unit train. ur still screwed. the enemy will over whelm u after awhile.

"test it out for yourself, make sure you do wardance tho. 50 eagles vs 50 volitigers that are fully upgraded"

50 vs 50?Probably eagle win without wardance even in imperial,but since 4 eagle=5 skirms in cost...

two solutions, one is to syncronise your training, and the other is to switch dances and pull back when your numbers go down, eagle runners are much faster than skims, and are close to thier range.

Posted by: swinehoot i will list the civs from strongest to weakest in treaty in my opinion |french|>|rusian>dutch>aztec|>|british>ge rman|>|portugese>spanish>ottomen|>|iriqoi s>sioux| anyone disagree/agree, and explain?

I would change dutch and aztec and drop german after ports and spanish.

germans would be good if it wasn't for the ulhan bug..

What is this Uhlan bug?

I never play with Germans. Can someone please tell me.

look at the new thread thats titled the german uhlan bug what is it.. i answered it there

Aztecs are on of the top 3 booming civ's. Brit ports and aztecs, no order. But i don't play treaty games as much as rush. so maybe it's different germans and french are maybe the best.
Germans an french are the best once hey have boomed as far as they can. But brit ports and aztecs get stronger faster and get 99 vill's faster than french and german get 80 and 99.

The position is different depending on maps and length of treaty:

10 min: Spain
20 min: Dutch
30 min: French
40 min: French

This is for land maps. If going for a water map, say Hisapniola, then Spain will still be best at 10 minutes, but for 20 minute anyone who can schooner boom will be equal. Aztecs with extra cheap team boats are very strong.

For 30 or 40 minute treaty it all balances out as everyone can max pop by 20 minutes and French are top again.

you nderestimate aztec, id say they are very good in treaty, the main weakness of colonial combat is gone, and they have enough time to get to age3 for nobles hut units. They do the best boom, i have gotten 99 villies wih aztec in a normal SUP game within the 20 minute mark. And the atec turtle seems well suited to treaty.

10 minute spain yes, but by a smaller margin, cos the other player will get counter units, sioux are near to.

20 mins- i agree with dutchies

30 mins- aztec!! the big buttons reach full power

40 mins- french, theyve had enough time to get al cours + get the super artillery card ( sumut system, gives all art +25% attack :O) + and do the hated cuir spam