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why would the japs win?

 i think their chances are euqal

I think, that the mostly skilled player will win. Rush's have their advantages, but it comes down to how truely good the player is himself.

At an equal skill level japan would win. Their economy is better and can produce just as strong of an army.

the japanese eco is much stronger but the ottoman is much faster in aging and will strike sooner, even if the japanese makes yumi the otto would probably have some hussars to kill or distract em while the janns are taking down the barrack after killing some ashgarus or yumis from the card

then he has to take down the tc thats an hard objective but not impossible the otto could win if the player acts right and doesnt waste any time and military

lol, I cant believe no one really voted for ottos, when we are talking about vs JAPAN, not vs a good rush civ...

I guess, agecomm noobbess... 

1. Ottos got obus, obus own pretty much infantry, even RI, combined with jans microing everything this combo is almost unbeatable, since, no one is so NOOOB to rush with just jans. Yumis aint so good
   
2.  Ottos are a more rush civ, mosque+free vills=the reason they are the best rush civ in game, you dont need to waste food creating vills, they create automatically.
3. With japanese you cant even hunt, and we all know taht you get .83 food per sec with a vill from a hunt, and .66 from a berrie... that makes em an even worse rush civ
4. The only possible reason japan could be said, its because they are the most OP civ at the momemnt, but we aren't talking about overall, we are talking about rushes.
   

Иван Грозный:

lol, I cant believe no one really voted for ottos, when we are talking about vs JAPAN, not vs a good rush civ...

 

I guess, agecomm noobbess... 

 

 

1. Ottos got obus, obus own pretty much infantry, even RI, combined with jans microing everything this combo is almost unbeatable, since, no one is so NOOOB to rush with just jans. Yumis aint so good
   
2.  Ottos are a more rush civ, mosque+free vills=the reason they are the best rush civ in game, you dont need to waste food creating vills, they create automatically.
3. With japanese you cant even hunt, and we all know taht you get .83 food per sec with a vill from a hunt, and .66 from a berrie... that makes em an even worse rush civ
4. The only possible reason japan could be said, its because they are the most OP civ at the momemnt, but we aren't talking about overall, we are talking about rushes.
   

Lol, not sure I agree with the idea of this thread,, you mean they both build a forward base and rush each other? I'd never do that against the ottomans and I win 9 out of 10 times I play with them with japan.  Obus are really not that good, they beat ashi but only do half dmg against yumi and with their low health and armor, yumi actually fair fine against them and naginata kill them fast. Janissaries are not good anti cavalry, their slow and don't do much dmg. Yes, japan can't hunt, but you forget that means you can't raid him either, and japan can research upgrades to the berry collection speed, and everytime they build a house they get a collection boost to a resource of their choice. I usually age up with the shrine and get 4 shinobi with the export right away, make 5 yumis and send the ashi card before he is at my town... I just defend the rush, shrine boom, outboom him, build a much bigger army and kill him on the counter attack.

If you do that, that would slow you pretty much, and any easy ottoman rush would pretty own you, even a pure jan one...

Also, obus dont make half damage against yumis...

Oh and, yumi RR dont affect obus, obus make siege damage, not ranged, technically it looks at ranged, but its really siege, and it dont affects em.

Иван Грозный:

If you do that, that would slow you pretty much, and any easy ottoman rush would pretty own you, even a pure jan one...

Also, obus dont make half damage against yumis...

Oh and, yumi RR dont affect obus, obus make siege damage, not ranged, technically it looks at ranged, but its really siege, and it dont affects em.

 

How does it slow me down? They pretty much always rush, sometimes with just jans, when they do they need to disrupt my economy for it to be worth it, and like I said I usually kill his rush with no villager losses and less military losses, keep making units and defending while building a stronger economy than his, which i can as japan. Could you explain what you mean?

As to the obus, i checked the dmg out and you're right, no half dmg, the details for obus say they do 0.5 dmg against LI, yumis are LI, so i don't get that. I think is because i usually have a lot more yumis they he has abus so it just seemed like they did better because of the numbers.