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need blance:

you ppl are ridiculously silly and wrong, a brunch of privates and corporals most likely. get a clue. at least try them at editor. 

no way 20 dopple stand a chance against 20 samurais(if attack at same time) 

 20 samurai will slay 20 Dopp so easily that you wouldn't like to believe. 

 attack power speaking, dopple at peak + saolingen steel has 54ish, but samrui with all upgrades(include japan isolation + tower melee) will have 84ish attack power,

 dopp do have x1 more area demage and slightly more hit points but samurai has 0.30 damage resistance while dopp only has .20. that makes a huge difference. send dopp to melee combat the smaurai in equal number is no other than suicide. 

I totally agree with him

Before i give my rant about how Samus own Dops, Im just gonna tell Dopplessonder(the poster), to stfu, stop being so patriotic about a god damn unit, to grow some balls, and stop being such a GERMAN!

Now that we have that resolved here it goes.

Samus kick dopps ass, as simple as that, the have mroe splash, a little less attack, but more hitpoints and speed,

Why the fck to do u think they are more expensive?

WHoever started this post was a fricking private, I tried to explain u guys humanely, that samus just simply kill dopps. They have more cannon resistance, speed, splash, AND hitpoints!

Dopps are just humpbacked asses with hugeass swords that look like wannabe ANIME CHARACTERS!

Dopplesoldners:

need blance:

OMG, stop making up ur own numbers.  dopp has 78 attack 820 hp? lol!!

you sound like a noob who only played original single campaign and believed dopp is invincible, do you ever used Japan?   

I'm talking about regular smauri vs dopp as the topic suggested. no hatamoto involved. 

yes I happen to play german and japan alot, and I understand their stats and had them fought toe to toe unlike you just make numbers out of the air.

kid, both samuri and dopp has x2 anti LIGHT INFRANTRY. both has no attack bouns each other.   

The only difference when they fight at peak upgrade is that samurai will slay dopp 15 secs faster.

judging by all Irrelevant info you have put out, I assume your IQ is sorly laking

I  played Japan as my nation for about 2 months and everything you said about them except for dopple stats only geting to 56 and 700 helth is right. What it is is there are cards that unlock upgrades that inprove dopple states, I have to admit Samurie are more cost effective and they are right behind dopple by a few numbers, so if you have 2 players who know every upgrade to both and how to get resources correctly and ballence their base, Samurie have a egual or better chance of winning, and as for the samurie states i have not seen them that high but i beleave i just do not know of a card or certain upgrade that inproves them to that.

you just took back everything you said earlier, nothing you said about samurai and dopp were true and you made up some ridiculous number tried to make dopp look better, and now you are still wrong. 

when you think about it, dopp is actually weakest among all melee anti infantry units. in hand to hand combat, samurai, skull, urumis or even jags own dopp with ease(at even ratio) dopp is, at such expensive cost, doesn't provide any value, after saolingon steel upgrade, it still have a semi inferior attack power and poor speed compare to other anti infrantry units.

Sorry kid, this game is real. to answer this question again, in 20 vs 20, do dopps stand a chance to win samurais? no, absolutely 0%. winning chance, 30 dopp vs 20 smaruai? Well, maybe, just maybe. 

need blance:

Dopplesoldners:

need blance:

OMG, stop making up ur own numbers.  dopp has 78 attack 820 hp? lol!!

you sound like a noob who only played original single campaign and believed dopp is invincible, do you ever used Japan?   

I'm talking about regular smauri vs dopp as the topic suggested. no hatamoto involved. 

yes I happen to play german and japan alot, and I understand their stats and had them fought toe to toe unlike you just make numbers out of the air.

kid, both samuri and dopp has x2 anti LIGHT INFRANTRY. both has no attack bouns each other.   

The only difference when they fight at peak upgrade is that samurai will slay dopp 15 secs faster.

judging by all Irrelevant info you have put out, I assume your IQ is sorly laking

I  played Japan as my nation for about 2 months and everything you said about them except for dopple stats only geting to 56 and 700 helth is right. What it is is there are cards that unlock upgrades that inprove dopple states, I have to admit Samurie are more cost effective and they are right behind dopple by a few numbers, so if you have 2 players who know every upgrade to both and how to get resources correctly and ballence their base, Samurie have a egual or better chance of winning, and as for the samurie states i have not seen them that high but i beleave i just do not know of a card or certain upgrade that inproves them to that.

you just took back everything you said earlier, nothing you said about samurai and dopp were true and you made up some ridiculous number tried to make dopp look better, and now you are still wrong. 

when you think about it, dopp is actually weakest among all melee anti infantry units. in hand to hand combat, samurai, skull, urumis or even jags own dopp with ease(at even ratio) dopp is, at such expensive cost, doesn't provide any value, after saolingon steel upgrade, it still have a semi inferior attack power and poor speed compare to other anti infrantry units.

Sorry kid, this game is real. to answer this question again, in 20 vs 20, do dopps stand a chance to win samurai? no, absolutely 0%. winning chance, 30 dopp vs 20 smaruai? Well, maybe, just maybe. 

 

 

 

Im finally glad we have that settled  

Dopplesoldners are one my favorite units in the game, but sadly they're not better than Samurais. 

What's been stated by KingofCurry is correct, but I'll say a few more thing that was not mentioned and say how they should be, based on how they we're in real life.

Dopples do more damage to calvary,but they also die faster to them than Samurai.  Samurai have 10% more armor than Dopps, allowing them to get 1 more shot before dying than Dopps. This makes them do about the same damage as Dopps. 

Samurai do 1.3x damage to cavalry, and Dopps do 2x damage, but this extra  bonus damage doesn't do any good, becuase Samurai are capable of having over 30+ more damage.

So add Sams 10% more armor and 30 + more attack, and Dopps 2x calvary and 1 extra splash doesn't seem all that impressive does it?

When i first got the game when it came out.  I  immediately tested Dopps vs Samurai in various numbers fighting eachother.  I was disappointed when I found out that Dopps got slaughtered in 1 vs 1 and 5 vs 5, so I figured that Dopps extra splash damage would kick in during a 20 vs 20.  I did it, and though I don't remember how much was left. I do remember that Dopps, again, got slaughtered.  After finding this out my excitement for the game took a hit.

In real life Dopps vs Sam would be no contest. Dopps were very heavily armored, and if they wore full plate mail, it would take over 5 guys surrounding them to kill 1 of them (that was the power of plate mail) 

Dopps use Zweihanders (6ft swords), and they we're literately capable of cutting a man in half. Given that the enemy wasn't wearing high quality armor (which most soldiers back then couldn't even dream of affording)  

If a game was to properly reflect Dopps and what they wore and wielded . They would have more attack than any soldier or cavalry in the game (except elephants) and have decent hp, and good armor rating. Dopps jobs were dangerous, and were usually charging into pikes and calvary, attempting to disable them. (chopping off pike heads and cutting off horse legs)  Which is why they didn't live very long

Dopps were among the most elite soldiers of their time, and I think the game should reflect that.
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Zweihander:

Dopplesoldners are one my favorite units in the game, but sadly they're not better than Samurais. 

What's been stated by KingofCurry is correct, but I'll say a few more thing that was not mentioned and say how they should be, based on how they we're in real life.

Dopples do more damage to calvary,but they also die faster to them than Samurai.  Samurai have 10% more armor than Dopps, allowing them to get 1 more shot before dying than Dopps. This makes them do about the same damage as Dopps. 

Samurai do 1.3x damage to cavalry, and Dopps do 2x damage, but this extra  bonus damage doesn't do any good, becuase Samurai are capable of having over 30+ more damage.

So add Sams 10% more armor and 30 + more attack, and Dopps 2x calvary and 1 extra splash doesn't seem all that impressive does it?

When i first got the game when it came out.  I  immediately tested Dopps vs Samurai in various numbers fighting eachother.  I was disappointed when I found out that Dopps got slaughtered in 1 vs 1 and 5 vs 5, so I figured that Dopps extra splash damage would kick in during a 20 vs 20.  I did it, and though I don't remember how much was left. I do remember that Dopps, again, got slaughtered.  After finding this out my excitement for the game took a hit.

In real life Dopps vs Sam would be no contest. Dopps were very heavily armored, and if they wore full plate mail, it would take over 5 guys surrounding them to kill 1 of them (that was the power of plate mail) 

Dopps use Zweihanders (6ft swords), and they we're literately capable of cutting a man in half. Given that the enemy wasn't wearing high quality armor (which most soldiers back then couldn't even dream of affording)  

If a game was to properly reflect Dopps and what they wore and wielded . They would have more attack than any soldier or cavalry in the game (except elephants) and have decent hp, and good armor rating. Dopps jobs were dangerous, and were usually charging into pikes and calvary, attempting to disable them. (chopping off pike heads and cutting off horse legs)  Which is why they didn't live very long

Dopps were among the most elite soldiers of their time, and I think the game should reflect that.
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2 things about you.

one. I glad you actually tested dopp and samurai's ability and admitted that a samurai is far superior to a dopp. unlike other clueless privates

two, you think a dopp is "better" than a samurai in real life only because you personally favorite dopp more. sorry to bust you, in real life, a samurai can drop a dopp as easy as they are in this game.  dopp are elite soldiers, and even more so for the smaurais, the samurai is the surpeme warrior class in feudal japan, who's armor is no less heavier than plate, and extremrely fast. in east asian warfare system, they value mobility and agility more than heavyness, which is a superior way in my opinion. you can clearly notice a smaurai armor decaded the weight on the foot, and lower leg, to give them more speed while throat, amy, waist and other fatel sections are heavily protected. plus a well forged kanata has no problem to thrust through a dopp's plate armor, or deal fatal damage to a dopp by slice, but the sword will stuck in the plate. in contest what makes you think a dopp can ever touch a fast dancing samruai by wielding a 6 feet long sword while wearing a 50lbs plate armor?

obviously, the game developer also believed that a smaurai > a dopp, simple as that, they can't make it other way around just because some 12 year old fancy dopp with big swords -> "bla!! DOPP IS DA BeSt".  and then not all in game units are realistically refelected as they were in actul history.  but dopp's place in real history is about what they are in this game

Zweihander:

Dopplesoldners are one my favorite units in the game, but sadly they're not better than Samurais. 

What's been stated by KingofCurry is correct, but I'll say a few more thing that was not mentioned and say how they should be, based on how they we're in real life.

Dopples do more damage to calvary,but they also die faster to them than Samurai.  Samurai have 10% more armor than Dopps, allowing them to get 1 more shot before dying than Dopps. This makes them do about the same damage as Dopps. 

Samurai do 1.3x damage to cavalry, and Dopps do 2x damage, but this extra  bonus damage doesn't do any good, becuase Samurai are capable of having over 30+ more damage.

So add Sams 10% more armor and 30 + more attack, and Dopps 2x calvary and 1 extra splash doesn't seem all that impressive does it?

When i first got the game when it came out.  I  immediately tested Dopps vs Samurai in various numbers fighting eachother.  I was disappointed when I found out that Dopps got slaughtered in 1 vs 1 and 5 vs 5, so I figured that Dopps extra splash damage would kick in during a 20 vs 20.  I did it, and though I don't remember how much was left. I do remember that Dopps, again, got slaughtered.  After finding this out my excitement for the game took a hit.

In real life Dopps vs Sam would be no contest. Dopps were very heavily armored, and if they wore full plate mail, it would take over 5 guys surrounding them to kill 1 of them (that was the power of plate mail) 

Dopps use Zweihanders (6ft swords), and they we're literately capable of cutting a man in half. Given that the enemy wasn't wearing high quality armor (which most soldiers back then couldn't even dream of affording)  

If a game was to properly reflect Dopps and what they wore and wielded . They would have more attack than any soldier or cavalry in the game (except elephants) and have decent hp, and good armor rating. Dopps jobs were dangerous, and were usually charging into pikes and calvary, attempting to disable them. (chopping off pike heads and cutting off horse legs)  Which is why they didn't live very long

Dopps were among the most elite soldiers of their time, and I think the game should reflect that.
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First off I want to say that I don't want to turn this into a history thread on Dopps and Sams,

 One handed swords (that includes the Katana) we're almost completely useless against heavy armor. The only way you could do any damage was to stab in the gaps in their armor, which was better suited to the spear type weapons. (pikes, halberds and spears)

This is why despite popular belief, the majority of medieval armies consisted of spearmen, and not swordsmen.  Spears were very effective against all armor types, while one handed swords were practically useless against anything other than light armor, not to mention they we're mostly only used by the nobility.

A katana could cut through plate mail? You've been watching too many cartoons. Besides a katana wasn't even the primary weapon of the Samurai, until the Edo period, the longbow was.

A Zweihander only weighed 4 pounds.and were lifted by huge men.  Enough said

 To further debunk the Japaneses medieval myths,  Ninjas we're only assassins/spies and were not the legendary warriors they claim to of been, and therefore couldn't defeat 20 men. (gasp)

 
Seriously though.  Stop getting your info from cartoons, and pick up a book.

Can a man on a horse get hardly damaged at all by a massive cannonball shot from a heavy cannon..?

Making everything work as if it did in real life would ruin the fairness of the game

ssheng:

so 20 sam vs 20 dop, which side will win?

Lol. try this question in the Which Would win? thread, and whatever the answer, the Correctenator Ivan would help u sort it out.