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  •  05-25-2008, 3:46 AM 696816 in reply to 696810
    English Shogun English Shogun is not online. Last active: 11-22-2008, 2:55 AM
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    Subject: Re: How to beat Japan with Russia they always get me !!!!

    as you can probably tell from my name, i like the Shogun. one of the few effective ways to kill him is to wait for him to start training units then blast with some cannons if you have any (this probs wont kill him but he cant move so they will always hit and weaken him) then move in with halbs (to kill him or distract the ashis who are guarding him) then send in horse archers which really do nail him seeing as they fire VERY quickly.

    so yeah.. hope this helps with the original question.

     and japan are fairly decent defenders (not very good) thanks to their fast and long ranged yabusame horse archers.

     p.s flaming arrows suck. if anyone can PROVE me wrong i'd love to know coz to me they just seem like the most pop ineffective unit in the japanese army. id rather have ashis and yums against infantry, yabs against cannon and moratarus against buildings.


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  •  05-25-2008, 5:59 AM 696851 in reply to 696816
    tntc tntc is not online. Last active: 11-01-2008, 4:16 AM
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    Subject: Re: How to beat Japan with Russia they always get me !!!!

    Lol... I'd like to see how a russian can breach a jap base before a jap can breach his own base...

    If you put pressure on the jap base with 3 forts on each side, the jap needs to defend with fast moving units like yabus and nagis. While a shogun with a diamyo walk over to the russian base, spam 10 morutarus and 20 musketeers (weak army indeed, but before it's taken down you have lost 3 walls at least if not more since the biggest bulk of the russian army is trying to breach the jap base. And 10 morus break a wall with 1 shot)

  •  05-25-2008, 6:25 AM 696861 in reply to 696851
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    Subject: Re: How to beat Japan with Russia they always get me !!!!

    diaymo are easy to kill. Tartar loyalists do the job fine. Also, i am not fussed about killing them anyway, they arent that great, also, i kill the shogunate in basically every game i play against japs with ops. (i only play russia). The only thing i hate about japs is their art. ANY civ who gets cannon thats anti artillery and anti infantry is OP.

    I hate those damn cannons, they are soo annoying, i havent played japan but i think they are only 4 pop 2. The fact that japs get 20+ army doesnt help either. If u play russia you should be usings strelets, strelets are the key with russia. Alot of russian players dont use strelets and often lose because of it. To use strelets u need the following things:

    *imperial upgrade

    *strelet combat (card)

    *advanced arsenal improvements (card)

    *another card which improves cossack and ops aswell, dont know what its called.

    These imrpovements will give your strelets 203 health or something and 22 or so attack. Strelets are only good because they are cheap and can be made in 10's. (if you get the inca settlements improvements then they goinstand :P) Also, strelets dont cost any gold, so you can basically have an army of halbs for cav and strelets for infantry which will be low cost and will work well. (when teh jap played and u are having a ranged battle remember these things:

    *ALWAYS have at least 5 culverin waiting for mortaru and those flaming arrow things

    *Mix in strelets with muskets, as this gives the strelets defence from cav. Its allways good to keep like 5 field guns behind units to PWN any sams that get close.

    *last of all, have cossack on standby for Umi archers, cossack are good as they have a balanced cost so they dont unlalance your eco and they are 1 pop so you can get large numbers of them and still hold up somewhere else.)

     good luck with fighting japs. They are an OP civ and they are a bit of a hasstle with the diaymo but just fire a culv bullet at em and the player wil retreat it.



    wtf is up with this ^^
  •  05-25-2008, 7:30 AM 696868 in reply to 696861
    War_Ensemble War_Ensemble is not online. Last active: 11/22/2008, 11:22 AM
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    Subject: Re: How to beat Japan with Russia they always get me !!!!
    Russia wins easy from japs, keep on offence with forts, kill his walls with mortars, defend ur mortars with culvs/falcs/halbs and strelets. (cav archers when neccecary) Try to keep ur mortars alive, and u kill walls very fast. Then its time for ops and grens to finish the job.

  •  05-25-2008, 5:58 PM 697146 in reply to 696868
    €Pat$ €Pat$ is not online. Last active: 30 Aug 2008, 6:52 AM
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    Subject: Re: How to beat Japan with Russia they always get me !!!!
    Stelet cant beat Ashi easy sstelet fully upgrade got about20damage x3 against heavy infantry = 60 while asigaru hit them for 72 and got more hit point than stelet

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  •  05-25-2008, 6:01 PM 697147 in reply to 697146
    tntc tntc is not online. Last active: 11-01-2008, 4:16 AM
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    Subject: Re: How to beat Japan with Russia they always get me !!!!
    Yeah, but you can count 3 strelets in the cost of 1 ashi though.
  •  05-25-2008, 6:26 PM 697155 in reply to 697147
    LoboSoldier LoboSoldier is not online. Last active: 07-14-2008, 6:11 PM
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    Subject: Re: How to beat Japan with Russia they always get me !!!!
    Also remember what could happen if Ashigarus charge into melee.
  •  05-25-2008, 6:33 PM 697158 in reply to 697155
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    Subject: Re: How to beat Japan with Russia they always get me !!!!
    Yeah Stelet are cheaper but if Japan change unit from Ashi to Nagi

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  •  05-25-2008, 9:14 PM 697201 in reply to 697158
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    Subject: Re: How to beat Japan with Russia they always get me !!!!
    Then you might br screwed if you send in a small army of hals i go with 9 would get rid of alot of nags
  •  05-26-2008, 2:40 AM 697329 in reply to 697201
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    Subject: Re: How to beat Japan with Russia they always get me !!!!
    Apart from Flying Crow all TAD artillary is pretty ordinary against Vanilla artillary. The Japanese can crack under constant pressure because of this (which is why the Shogun/Daimyo and other disposable heroes are there).
  •  05-26-2008, 7:17 AM 697377 in reply to 693353
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    Subject: Re: How to beat Japan with Russia they always get me !!!!
    eliotyuhin99:
    The only way is to avoid the army and attack both sides with oprichniks. Japan units will eat you very easily.

     

     

    U want to say Cavalary Archers

  •  05-26-2008, 8:36 AM 697383 in reply to 696810
    Derek_Zoolander Derek_Zoolander is online. Last active: 11-22-2008, 12:06 PM
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