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not true

it doesnt take much skill to use all the resources given to u in a DM

but in nr u actually have to do he work yourself and 1 strat can work every time

uhhh, man, I think that you should have said treaty or at least no rush, because Most people mean no rules when they say NR, (unless we are talking about vanilla).

Anyways, @topic:

NR is more for beginners, that cant rush, becuase rushing in DM its the clue of winning... Also, the boring isnt the part of getting eco in the 40 minutes, the boring its the part of winning game, because after the no rush people have built like 50 walls and tons of barracks and stables in em, and if someone tries to break even 1, you make tons of units almost insatntly thanks to the cards of fencing school and spanish riding school.

And some games (even 1vs1s) can take even 6 hours, I have seen a thread in agecomm which title is "6 hour game lol"

DM, DM is fun (princiaplly because some games finish in even 3rd or 2nd minute), but it got tons of problems:

1. Most rushes are before 2nd minute (some rushes start in even 1st minute), and apart from the fact that people just spam cavalry because its the only unit that trains instantly thanks to spanish riding school and the lakota tech, there is a 2min resign rule, if a player resigns before the 2nd minute has passed, the game is unrated.

2. Its super unbalanced, if people think that treaty/no rush isnt balanced, they havent played DM yet... The most unbalanced civ its russia, since its the only civ that can get infantry isntantly before 2nd minute thanks to team fencing school and fencing school, so while everoyne makes cavalry, russia would just make tons of halbs+muskeeters.

3. People just play it in great plains, DM community does this because its the only map in which you can get cav instantly thanks to a native tech.

4. People almost dont play DM, in the asian dynasties, I just see like 3 DM games every day, in the war chiefs there is luck that there is at least 1 DM game, since nornally there are no DM games.
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B-RadG.:

not true

it doesnt take much skill to use all the resources given to u in a DM

but in nr u actually have to do he work yourself and 1 strat can work every time

 

very true, it takes more skill to make those resources in a treaty game, apart from wasting 40 minutes and making tons of walls so the game will finish in 6th hour.

Ok i was using sarcasm, whats the difference beetwen getting those resources and starting with em, oh ya, the difference its that some civs get those resoruces easier, for example france, and some civs get those resources slower, for example iroquois.

And whats good in the fact that using 1 strat can work always, making something OP and unbeatable doesnt makes you superior, as in DM or in treaty. Thats just lame and stupid. 

Иван Грозный:

B-RadG.:

not true

it doesnt take much skill to use all the resources given to u in a DM

but in nr u actually have to do he work yourself and 1 strat can work every time

 

very true, it takes more skill to make those resources in a treaty game, apart from wasting 40 minutes and making tons of walls so the game will finish in 6th hour.

Ok i was using sarcasm, whats the difference beetwen getting those resources and starting with em, oh ya, the difference its that some civs get those resoruces easier, for example france, and some civs get those resources slower, for example iroquois.

And whats good in the fact that using 1 strat can work always, making something OP and unbeatable doesnt makes you superior, as in DM or in treaty. Thats just lame and stupid. 

Иван Грозный:

uhhh, man, I think that you should have said treaty or at least no rush, because Most people mean no rules when they say NR, (unless we are talking about vanilla).

Anyways, @topic:

NR is more for beginners, that cant rush, becuase rushing in DM its the clue of winning... Also, the boring isnt the part of getting eco in the 40 minutes, the boring its the part of winning game, because after the no rush people have built like 50 walls and tons of barracks and stables in em, and if someone tries to break even 1, you make tons of units almost insatntly thanks to the cards of fencing school and spanish riding school.

And some games (even 1vs1s) can take even 6 hours, I have seen a thread in agecomm which title is "6 hour game lol"

DM, DM is fun (princiaplly because some games finish in even 3rd or 2nd minute), but it got tons of problems:

1. Most rushes are before 2nd minute (some rushes start in even 1st minute), and apart from the fact that people just spam cavalry because its the only unit that trains instantly thanks to spanish riding school and the lakota tech, there is a 2min resign rule, if a player resigns before the 2nd minute has passed, the game is unrated.

2. Its super unbalanced, if people think that treaty/no rush isnt balanced, they havent played DM yet... The most unbalanced civ its russia, since its the only civ that can get infantry isntantly before 2nd minute thanks to team fencing school and fencing school, so while everoyne makes cavalry, russia would just make tons of halbs+muskeeters.

3. People just play it in great plains, DM community does this because its the only map in which you can get cav instantly thanks to a native tech.

4. People almost dont play DM, in the asian dynasties, I just see like 3 DM games every day, in the war chiefs there is luck that there is at least 1 DM game, since nornally there are no DM games.
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well.....in reply to ur points

1-maybe this is because you play vs lower ranked players? i have to say, from major up this situation almost never happens. there is an unwritten agreement that if u are mapscrewed (no lakota ur half) u can resign and replay the game, but players resigning during rush is rare, and if they do it u can pest them as only 1 or 2 plyrs would behave like this anyway

2-im not sure why you say this, the most op civ is german. russian fast inf u shouldnt lose to in 1v1, if vs russia u should change ur strat and make inf quick. u can have 20 skirms out by the time halb spam arrive, and good russian players doesnt halb rush anyway. so maybe you need to just practice more vs russian, in dm they definitely arent the problem. ps if you spam cav into halbs then why do you think you're losing? lol

3-true but i dont get bored of it, the variety of civs/strats/good balance of dm makes it always interesting and different (aslong as u dont play german especially in 1v1 )

4-come to nilla, lots of dm games :)

mikeypikey1:

4-come to nilla, lots of dm games :)

Well, we did pay for the expansions, we shouldn't have to go to the original game just to play deathmatch..

Vanilla only has 20 card decks, and many of the important DM cards are missing..

1. IMO, I rarely see people that are lvl 26++ in DM (as me) in this forums, so I am kinda using newbs logic :P.

2. 20 skirms vs 150 muskeeters, I wonder who would win... also almost everyone that is russian sends artillery cards (heavy cannons and li'l Bombards) in its attack, to counter some infantry that have got opponent...

3. True, but it gets a bit annoying if you play 1000 games on the same map...

4. I may add to finchie's answer, I just use natives in DM, and I doubt that I can use natives in vanilla, many people think that natives are super UP in DM, but I consider em great civilizations, And I beaten many german opponents with em (specially with iros). And as finchie said, its more fun playing in TAD, and there I got more friends :P.

Иван Грозный:

The most unbalanced civ its russia, 
 

 watch out where you post this is the age 3 section not twc or tad.

 here best civic =  german and dutch

secondly the main reason why people play gp is because it's map with not much lag, and where turtels don't have a chance.

 ever played on new england where you got 2 players around the same level? let me tell you not cool.  1h50 of playing a 1v1 dm.... And it was most boring dm ever.