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  •  06-07-2012, 5:32 AM 958539
    The Middleman The Middleman is not online. Last active: 02-19-2014, 12:29 PM
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    Subject: Brits in vanilla
    I'm asking if someone can explain  me who do u play whit brits in team game and how in 1v1, i'm looking for recordings and a build orders for first 7-8 min of game, any help is welcome.
  •  06-07-2012, 6:08 AM 958540 in reply to 958539
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    Subject: Re: Brits in vanilla

    16 vills age up with tower, cards 3 vills, 700 wood, 5 vills, 4 vills. both upgrades market. keep on vill produktion.

    when you play 1v1 and scout aggressiv play send instead 5 + 4 vills, 6 muskets and 6 lbows.

    in team pure lbows out of 2 raxes nice, in 1v1 musket hussar mix.  

  •  06-07-2012, 6:43 AM 958541 in reply to 958540
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    Subject: Re: Brits in vanilla
    Masinkov_:

    16 vills age up with tower, cards 3 vills, 700 wood, 5 vills, 4 vills. both upgrades market. keep on vill produktion.

    when you play 1v1 and scout aggressiv play send instead 5 + 4 vills, 6 muskets and 6 lbows.

    in team pure lbows out of 2 raxes nice, in 1v1 musket hussar mix.  

    not exactly.

    3 vills age up with tower (16-17 vills, always do early market if possible) 700 wood 5 vills 600 wood 4 vills get good market upgrades. In 1v1 dont send 6 musket and longbows, same bo. Just mind that you dont't overboom. 


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  •  06-07-2012, 9:31 AM 958546 in reply to 958541
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    Subject: Re: Brits in vanilla
    Jerom:
    Masinkov_:

    16 vills age up with tower, cards 3 vills, 700 wood, 5 vills, 4 vills. both upgrades market. keep on vill produktion.

    when you play 1v1 and scout aggressiv play send instead 5 + 4 vills, 6 muskets and 6 lbows.

    in team pure lbows out of 2 raxes nice, in 1v1 musket hussar mix.  

    not exactly.

    3 vills age up with tower (16-17 vills, always do early market if possible) 700 wood 5 vills 600 wood 4 vills get good market upgrades. In 1v1 dont send 6 musket and longbows, same bo. Just mind that you dont't overboom. 

    +1 this is ideal card order ...

    however IF opponent rushes you it is generally 700W then 6Musk or 6Longbow to counter aggression ...

    N30 clan on youtube has some good 1v1 recordings. 

    If you age w Tower + 200coin, keep 12 on wood (rest on food) during transition for:1 manor, then 325 wood for a barracks/stables at start of age 2 and steel traps (you'll get the 125gold from aging politician).


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  •  06-07-2012, 9:43 AM 958548 in reply to 958546
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    Subject: Re: Brits in vanilla
    I have genuinely never needed to send units after 700 wood that quickly. If you open up correctly you can easily deal with the aggresion (well except for India/Iro aggresion).

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  •  06-07-2012, 10:00 AM 958550 in reply to 958548
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    Subject: Re: Brits in vanilla

    Jerom:
    I have genuinely never needed to send units after 700 wood that quickly. If you open up correctly you can easily deal with the aggresion (well except for India/Iro aggresion).

    If you play vs. Russia for example and he ships 5 coss 4 coss while spamming strelet you cannot handle that with 5-5-5 longbow or musk.  Watch a recording with GS as brit vs russian with this exact start.  There is also a great 2v2 matcup with Flooky, Aroti_F_L, and I think Marko and cant recall 4th player.  Aroti and Flooky both go Brit with a French team mate.  They all start musk and BOTH brit generals aroti and flooky go 700w 6musk with single barracks start ...

    Jerom wut ?!!? the card order you stated IS ideal, and maybe it is used the majority of the time; but 6Musk "genuinely never needed" is just MADNESS lol


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  •  06-07-2012, 11:50 AM 958553 in reply to 958550
    Jerom Jerom is not online. Last active: 28 Dec 2013, 7:18 PM
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    Subject: Re: Brits in vanilla

    Remember I play dutch and am used to being on the virge of dying and am totally confortable having a million strelets sieging my TC.

    Also note the stress on That quickly. You can easily get away with sending a 2nd ecoshipment before you need to send units (vs that kind of russia play (note you state him shipping 2 times cossack). 


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  •  06-08-2012, 2:20 AM 958611 in reply to 958553
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    Subject: Re: Brits in vanilla

    well different playstyles. there is not only 1 possible way to play. you can send also 6 muskets before 700 wood when you wanna play aggressiv. its also possible and sometimes better than you think. if you can play various and adapt on different situation you are better. and if you send 600 wood after 5 vills depend on your personal playstyle. normaly in teamplay i have already both market upgrades when i send 5 vills.

    never sending you 6 muskets / 6 lbows makes you losing games in 1v1 when you get pushed hard. and in team you can sometimes be the one with less army in early game when its needed. if you say ALWAYS send 600 wood after 5 vills and NEVER send units in colonial than you are not a various player and perhaps weaker than other brit players on your skill level.  

  •  06-08-2012, 8:31 AM 958627 in reply to 958611
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    Subject: Re: Brits in vanilla
    Masinkov_:

    well different playstyles. there is not only 1 possible way to play. you can send also 6 muskets before 700 wood when you wanna play aggressiv. its also possible and sometimes better than you think. if you can play various and adapt on different situation you are better. and if you send 600 wood after 5 vills depend on your personal playstyle. normaly in teamplay i have already both market upgrades when i send 5 vills.

    never sending you 6 muskets / 6 lbows makes you losing games in 1v1 when you get pushed hard. and in team you can sometimes be the one with less army in early game when its needed. if you say ALWAYS send 600 wood after 5 vills and NEVER send units in colonial than you are not a various player and perhaps weaker than other brit players on your skill level.  

    You are like as wrong as you can be lol. Id you send 6 muskets before 700 wood you can also just tab out because that is one of the most terrible things you can ever do. You'll instantly be way behind in eco so you will have to rush but you can't actually perform a good rush because the brit eco doesnt really allow you to do that (no 400 wood age up) and its pretty shabby to send units first in general (note that only OP civs can actually do that). Sending 6 muskets as first card in colonial is extremely stupid and isn't viable so it isn't a different playstyle that also works. If you'd do that vs me you'd be punished for that really badly lol.

    If you don't send 6 muskets and still hold of the things thrown at you then you are a better player because you have more eco, aren't you ? In my opinion 6 musk is a pretty bad card to play as it doesnt not allow you to improve your eco structurally. I can imagine very few situations where a card like 6 musks would actually be very useful or necessary at all. In about 90% of the mu's you can easily get away with the standard optimal BO, and if you are gonna send units, send 6 longobw (which is somewhat acceptable). Only nilla mu's where you might need some unit cards are vs very aggresive russia (though I don't think that should cause many problems with the standard BO since its pretty easy to beat) and maybe vs Otto Jan abus (though I prefer to ship coin to mix in huss more easily), but not vs any other aggresive play.

    Note that you explicitely stated that the BO to use in 1v1 is 700 wood 6 musk 6 lb vs aggresive play, but thats pretty much not true. You can always get away with sending another eco card and except vs very aggresive russia and Otto you dont even need the unit shipment at all


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  •  06-08-2012, 9:16 AM 958630 in reply to 958627
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    Subject: Re: Brits in vanilla
    thanks guys for ur replays. i'll try brits during this weekend and i'll let u know how good i perform. :)
  •  06-08-2012, 9:59 AM 958633 in reply to 958611
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    Subject: Re: Brits in vanilla
    Masinkov_:

    well different playstyles. there is not only 1 possible way to play. you can send also 6 muskets before 700 wood when you wanna play aggressiv. its also possible and sometimes better than you think. if you can play various and adapt on different situation you are better. and if you send 600 wood after 5 vills depend on your personal playstyle. normaly in teamplay i have already both market upgrades when i send 5 vills.

    never sending you 6 muskets / 6 lbows makes you losing games in 1v1 when you get pushed hard. and in team you can sometimes be the one with less army in early game when its needed. if you say ALWAYS send 600 wood after 5 vills and NEVER send units in colonial than you are not a various player and perhaps weaker than other brit players on your skill level.  

    6 musks first card in colonial .... jeezus ch


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  •  06-08-2012, 4:43 PM 958646 in reply to 958633
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    Subject: Re: Brits in vanilla
    i told its possible to send 6 muskets before 700 wood, not that its the best way. but in some situations it can surprise your opponent when playing aggressiv and take the mapcontrol. and you dont start always just with 1 manor, rest is ressource management. how i say different playstyles what doesnt come to your mind. dont think just 1 way excist what works. thats what i wanted say. adapt your playstyle on situation and try sometimes to surprise your opponent. in team i would never do it. but i did it in 1v1 with success mostly. 
  •  06-09-2012, 3:48 AM 958669 in reply to 958646
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    Subject: Re: Brits in vanilla

    Masinkov_:
    i told its possible to send 6 muskets before 700 wood, not that its the best way. but in some situations it can surprise your opponent when playing aggressiv and take the mapcontrol. and you dont start always just with 1 manor, rest is ressource management. how i say different playstyles what doesnt come to your mind. dont think just 1 way excist what works. thats what i wanted say. adapt your playstyle on situation and try sometimes to surprise your opponent. in team i would never do it. but i did it in 1v1 with success mostly. 

    Well thats all nice and stuff but on the higher level there are only 3-4 BO variations at max that might work. Sending 6 musks firsts will NEVER work against a good player, not under any circumstance will it work and therefor it is an extremely stupid idea to ship 6 musk first. 


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  •  06-09-2012, 8:54 AM 958680 in reply to 958669
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    Subject: Re: Brits in vanilla
    ok. but i already beat pr30+ player with it ;-) so i dont really care what you think. i just wanted to help treadstarter with a common brit strat what i did with my 1st post here. 6 musk first in colonial was just a variation in 1v1 what can really surprise. very early 11 muskets can make a difference. believe it or not idc. and i told here that its not the common way to play brits. my general build order was in 1st post what works pretty well. if you wanna talk about higher ranked players make your rank up first ;-) i dont see that you are so much better than i am. so peace jerom before you say something like very stupid idea and so on ...  
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    k well idk how it is good advice if you post stupid strats that dont work.

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