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Excuse me one moment friends. Imagine a heads up fight Spain vs Ports on Orinoco Andes wherever. Who wins straight up? There is a friend of mine who says that Spain just rapes everyone with unction. He is of the view that Skirm, Lancer, and some artillery will pretty much **** everyone. I argued that Ports can simply wear down walls with their OP mortars and then flood Spain with the usual Goon/Organ/Huss. not to mention Spain gets bs eco upgrades while Ports can be maxed out extremely quickly. I argued that Ports, even if they can't win heads up immediately, turtle somewhat and wait for the inferior Spansh eco to die. Responses are appreciated.

B/w two top players Spain would win.  B/w two avg players, Port wins.

On Orinoco or in the cliffs on Andes, Spain wins hard with lancer/nat/skirms. In the open on Andes its hard to say since I really haven't played it much. Spain is extremely strong if used right, port can be to.

Yeah spain wins. Even without nats, rod/lancer/skirm is pretty devastating to port. And goon/organ/huss only works if the person you're vsing doesn't pay attention and alter their combos appropriately. Its very vulnerable to either a goon spam or for a more well rounded combo rod/nat and cannon. (with skirm mixed in to protect from a goon/cass response)

I concur. I just played Port vs Spain and was summarily taken care of.

Even with the Port artillery hitpoint card, the Spanish 63% attack boost for artillery allows their culverins to easily kill yours.

Port Jinette are good at running priests away but those little rats are hard to kill and at the start you don't have the two Dragoon cards you need either.

Use Cassadores and Jinette and he can just use Lancers, Rodeleros and Skirms and take you out in no time. Cassadores are usually better than other Skirms but that's not the case with the Spanish ones.

It's better behind a wall but unctioned Spanish mortars have simply amazing attack -- they can melt your walls away in no time. 

I posted this some years ago but it's still interesting information on unctioned attack:

Siege and cannon:

• Petard 3257
• Mortar 1425
• Li’l Bombard 651
• Heavy Cannon 488
• Horse Cannon 356
• Falconet 285
• Culverin 114

Infantry:

• Musketeer 80
• Skirmisher 52
• Crossbowman 31
• Rodelero 39
• Pikeman 31 (125 siege)
• Maya Holcan 29 (168 siege)

Cavalry:

• Hussar 112
• Lancer 71
• Dragoon 75

Pets:

• Dog 69

Metis:

Siege and cannon:

• Petard 3257
• Mortar 1425
• Li’l Bombard 651
• Heavy Cannon 488
• Horse Cannon 356
• Falconet 285
• Culverin 114

Infantry:

• Musketeer 80
• Skirmisher 52
• Crossbowman 31
• Rodelero 39
• Pikeman 31 (125 siege)
• Maya Holcan 29 (168 siege)

Cavalry:

• Hussar 112
• Lancer 71
• Dragoon 75

Pets:

• Dog 69

Does that boost to the culverins allow them to one hit organs or horse art/other culvs? 

I think so yeah

the culverin would do 448 damage vs artillery, but metis can you post stats with the port units as well please?

 Also, how do i fight the port if he spams hussars, but i have skirm lancer cannon? he just spammed hussar at my misionaries that game(still won) but its annoying

rods? but most ports usually dont use huss because its usually unnecessary.

jayve98:

Metis:

Siege and cannon:

• Petard 3257
• Mortar 1425
• Li’l Bombard 651
• Heavy Cannon 488
• Horse Cannon 356
• Falconet 285
• Culverin 114

Infantry:

• Musketeer 80
• Skirmisher 52
• Crossbowman 31
• Rodelero 39
• Pikeman 31 (125 siege)
• Maya Holcan 29 (168 siege)

Cavalry:

• Hussar 112
• Lancer 71
• Dragoon 75

Pets:

• Dog 69

Does that boost to the culverins allow them to one hit organs or horse art/other culvs? 

No actually I don't think it does. instead of half 1 culv takes probably around 90% htp away. Groups of 2 culv are still mandatory. I've watched a lot of rank 30-35 spain treaty games and I'm almost 100% sure of this. Still an advantage though, micro with a culv and lancers when the opportunity is available. 2 culv on 1 art unit is still the smarter strategy most of the time nevertheless.

Not 100% sure, but I think if you shoot 1 culv with 2 that are in a group of two, then hit the other with 1 culv, they all die from area damage. so you can kill 2 culvs with 3 which is still better than more civs.

Stefan is correct, I did that a couple times in a game yesterday. And I think you can oneshot organs, at least before the art hp card arrives.

LordStefanIII:

Not 100% sure, but I think if you shoot 1 culv with 2 that are in a group of two, then hit the other with 1 culv, they all die from area damage. so you can kill 2 culvs with 3 which is still better than more civs.

doesnt that work with all civs 3 culvs kills 2 culvs in 1 volley

I don't think so. Hah you'd think I would know with the amount of nr55's I play nowadays.

LordStefanIII:

I don't think so. Hah you'd think I would know with the amount of nr55's I play nowadays.

didnt think u would ever go that low, im sry to hear that