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  •  06-18-2012, 4:45 AM 959470
    Grandevous Grandevous is not online. Last active: 08-31-2013, 7:56 AM
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    Subject: Sioux Evening Star

    Sioux Evening Star

    Lately, I have been playing occasional matches with Sioux, and they do as great as iro! after seeing many troll strats, I decided to contribute to agecomm, and post a strat I have being testing against a few people. After all, hardly any decent strats have been posted for a while. As the title enquires, this is a unique strat for Sioux, and it requires using Evening Star. Now I know most of u hardly plays Sioux often, so you’ll be asking… What the hell is Evening Star??? Well I’ll explain it to u later in this strat. Now I’ll just go into the basics of Sioux as I know most of you aren’t familiar with this civ.

    1.     Sioux cavalry

    2.     Sioux infantry

    3.     Pros of Sioux

    4.     Cons of Sioux

    5.     Required cards

    6.     Recommended cards

    7.     The Strategy Guide

    8.     Tips

    9.     Conclusion

    1] Sioux cavalry

    The Sioux have an exceptionally wide range of cavalry.

    Warchief - The Sioux OP unit. He has a speed of 7.76 and boosts the speed of your nearby units.

    Axe Rider - This unit has less HP than a hussar, however, its beastly damage output + the warchief speed boost makes it an epic combo for raiding.

    Bow Rider - Good ranged cavalry unit. Unlike most RC (ranged cav), it is available in the 2nd age. To make matters better, it doesn’t have a -0.5 multiplier against civilian units making them speedy and deadly against settlers when mixed with warchief.

    Rifle Rider - Clearly the best RC against HI. RR can wipe out battalions of rodelero, janissary, musketeer, and basically any HI, cav and artillery. Unfortunately, this unit can only be trained in the 3rd age L.

    Tashunke Prowlers - This unit is totally UP when in low numbers. However, if u have all 12 of them, then their attack and HP stack up to form a formidable army. Their stealth ability can ambush armies and can take out a lot of soldiers if u unstealth them right in front of your enemy’s army. IMO the tashunke spam takes a bit too long. I don’t recommend it until you have mastered it.

    Dog Soldier - I know u can only spawn them via the firepit, but the 2 dog soldier shipment in age 2 can change the whole outcome of the battle as dog soldiers = OP in age 2.

     

    2] Sioux infantry

    Hey guess what? Sioux inf isn’t as bad as every1 expects!

    Cetan Bow – The easiest Sioux strat to master is probably cetan spam IMO, but that’s not what this strat is about.

    Warclub – The warclub just isn’t a great all-purpose unit. But, if u need a bit of siege and extra anti-cav, then warclub is your man.

    Wakina Rifle – Wakina is really good IMO. They r cheap as hell and aren’t that bad compared to skirms.

    3] Pros of Sioux

    No housing – Sioux start with 200 pop, so you don’t have to worry about chopping wood for houses. IMO this is what makes the Sioux rush only 1 notch below India and Iroquois. Also u can send beastly outlaw cards without worrying about pop.

    Warchief – The Sioux has the fasted explorer unit in the game, so take advantage of that and scout scout scout! Good to scout the whole map for good treasures and enemy TC. Also its speed boost is very useful, so always make sure to put it behind cav when raiding. Or put it behind RR (rifle rider) and it will be able to Hit & run like no other.

    Cavalry – Sioux has a wide range of cavalry, and most of them r OP for raiding, so make sure u make the right choice of cav combos. EG: RR + Axe rider + just a few Wakina Pwns most combos.

    4] Cons of Sioux

    Walling – The great Sioux nation has no walls, so always stay alert. And try not to lag the game to industrial in a 1v1 where Sioux gets weaker.

    Economy – The most know disadvantage of Sioux is its apparent bad eco, but it doesn’t seem that bad IMO. Just don’t go imperial fighting because the disadvantage of no walls + bad eco will make u lose.

    Now for the big question… What is Evening Star???

    Evening Star is a card which will transform all your axe riders to Rifle riders. Like I mentioned, the only true counter of RR is LI or RC but RC can only be trained in age 3 so RR + Axe rider = formidable age 2 combo with no counter except the Chinese Keshniks, Sioux Bow rider and the Indian Zamburuks.

    Now ladies and gentlemen… I bring you the Sioux Evening Star!!

    5] Required cards

    3 villagers – I think none need to be said here

    4 axe riders – Also obvious

    700 food – This card helps u get 5 axe riders out as they cost a LOT of food. Also, it helps u gain 100 XP and that means a faster Evening Star.

    3 axe riders – U have a choice of either 700 food or 3 axe riders. I prefer 700 food as it gives u that valuable 100XP, but if ur getting pushed back, then I recommend this card.

    6] Recommended cards

    700 gold – If ur RR r dead, and ur enemy crippled, I recommend u fortresize and train a few of the OP wakina and RR.

    7 warclubs – To take down that pesky TC.

    10 pistolero – This can actually be a very useful card. Good siege and big attack.

    15 bison – Axe riders cost a lot of food so if u run out of hunts, then send this card

    4 villagers – A good economic card. Gets that eco running again.

    6 cetan bow/3 grizzly bears – Just in case.

    7] The Strategy

    Standard age 1. I won’t waste my time explaining what to do. Warchief scout for good treasures. If u started with 100 gold, then scout for XP treasures as it will help u morning star earlier. If u started with no gold, then simply gather a few gold treasures. 1st card 3 villagers. Age up around 3:00 with ‘The chief’ politician (400 wood).

    Transition: depends on how much gold u have at the moment. 100 gold: 2 villies on coin. 200 gold: 1 villie on gold. No gold: 3 villies on coin. Send villies to herd 2nd and sometimes the 3rd herd in the case of Great Plains.

    Age 2: as soon as u age, send the 4 axe rider card. It needs to be out as soon as possible for raiding. Send 3 villies to gather wood. As soon as u have 200 wood, send 4 villies to build a corral. 4 axe riders will arrive around 5:20. Corral build around 5:25. As soon as the corral is built, queue 5 axe riders. Join the warcheif with the 4 axe rider shipment and raid. Raiding is very important. Sioux has not so good eco, and the only way to balance that is to degrade ur opponent’s eco. 3rd shipment should be ready as soon as ur 5 axe rider comes out. Queue another 5 axe riders and then send 700 food. Like i said, send military shipment if ur been rushed hard. But if u can restrain it, send 700 food. Keep pumping out villagers! 2nd batch of axe out around 6:45. Queue 1 axe rider and when the 700 food arrives, u should have enough food to train 4 more. Always keep resources balanced. U need a 4:1 food to gold resource ratio as soon as 4th shipment is ready, send Evening Star. 2/5 way though the shipment, line as much axe riders as u possibly can. The point is for your current axe riders to transform info RR, but ur going to have another 5 axe riders to take of those pesky LI. Keep queuing axe

    THE ATTACK:

    Force: 19 RR (if ur 4 raiding axe rider didn’t die) + 5 axe rider + warcheif and converted treasure guardians.

    The RR can easily take on an army of 50+musketeers and not die. Just hit % run because the muskets will run scattered so just pick them off. The axe riders r important! They r the only way to destroy LI efficiently. Make sure u micro well. 4th card is of ur choice. 7 warclubs if u think u need extra siege. 10 pistolero if u have enough coin. Etc... Just pick the right card for the situation that u r in right now. From now on, it’s totally up to ur choice what to do.

     8] Tips

    ·         The RR is VERY important. If they die, u can’t get them back until age 3. So make sure u have ur warchief behind and they’ll be able to hit & run like no other.

    ·         If your RR die it will have at least made ur enemy’s eco momentarily stun. And so I suggest u fortresize. U will be able to control him better if u have an OP wakina + RR and they’re fighting with colonial units. Just keep on scouting out what he is doing, cause he’s either doing 2 things: fortresizing or massing colonial units. If hes massing colonial, then build a chop wood and build a war hut. That way, as soon as u reach fortress age, u will be able to train OP wakina.

    ·         The Evening Star Variation 2: instead of aging up with 400 wood, age up with 500 food. U will be able to train more axe riders however, u do need to chop 200 wood to build a corral. The reason I used 400 wood is because I can build a war hut or another corral when I need to. Its totally up to ur choice. If u want a bigger force, then age up with 500 food, if u want to train some war hut units (e.g.: warclub for siege), then I suggest u age up with 400 wood.

    ·         This strat worked very well against Dutch. They only have pike as age 2 HI and RR hit & run pike. U can use the cav’s speed to flank ur enemy and take down his LI etc. This strat works the best for civs that don’t have ranged HI. The only civs i don’t recommend this against is India, China, or another Sioux opponent. I saw this because they r all able to train RC in age 2 and RR gets pwned by is infantry or RC.

    Soz for the no replays. I forgot to make it recently. Well. That concludes my Sioux Morning Star Guide. I hope u enjoyed it and feel free to criticize and make suggestions about making this strategy better. i hope this helps u be more familiar with sioux.

    GL & HF

     

     

     


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  •  06-18-2012, 4:48 AM 959471 in reply to 959470
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    Subject: Re: Sioux Evening Star

    so what do u guys think?


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  •  06-18-2012, 5:20 AM 959472 in reply to 959471
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    Subject: Re: Sioux Evening Star
    Wow...just wow...Yes

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    Troll should be banned, not only do they lower the quality of help, especially for new player asking for help or reading the forums they won't know what is viable strategy or a troll strategy.
  •  06-18-2012, 7:29 AM 959480 in reply to 959472
    ThatRabbi ThatRabbi is not online. Last active: 12-13-2013, 2:13 PM
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    Subject: Re: Sioux Evening Star

    I Like Sioux , that evening star card is good  . Someone may be jealous of tactical willie though  

  •  06-18-2012, 9:31 AM 959483 in reply to 959480
    TacticalWillie TacticalWillie is not online. Last active: 12-26-2013, 9:58 AM
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    Subject: Re: Sioux Evening Star
    The OP Sioux war-chief and OP rr in age two, this is a revolutionary tactic! Definitely OP strategy!

    Combine this with, Skhsri's Iroquois stealth scout attack, My Perfect Spanish rush, and your Sioux Evening Star! That would be so much OP on one team nothing could stop us! 



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  •  06-18-2012, 5:56 PM 959509 in reply to 959471
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    Subject: Re: Sioux Evening Star
    Grandevous:

    so what do u guys think?

    @Grandevous

    This strat is awesome! normally i just cetan spam and attack with outlaw pistoleros, but i forgot that evening star can be used early on in game this is pretty good. However, you can make RR in age 2 with a port team mate, lol. (more expensive than Axe rider i think but still its possible)

    @willie my iroqouis scout strat doesnt work really well at all and i just tried the spain perfection rush and got beat badly. This leads me to the conclusion that they really suck!!!


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  •  06-19-2012, 1:28 AM 959529 in reply to 959509
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    Subject: Re: Sioux Evening Star

    more tips:

    -just before the evening star arrives, send all ur axe riders to raid. the point is to just let ur enemy have a peek of ur army. once he sees its all cav, he will train more HI and he will send his army after ur army. once the transformation is complete, his HI r gonna be completely smacked by the RR. its a good tactic to make ur opponent waste a lot of resources through military loss.

    -few seconds before ur 4 axe riders arrive, scout ur enemy's TC with warcheif. if he has sent 700 gold as his 1st card, then i recommend u build a warhut and train warclubs to rip down that TC.


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  •  06-19-2012, 1:29 AM 959530 in reply to 959483
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    Subject: Re: Sioux Evening Star
    TacticalWillie:
    The OP Sioux war-chief and OP rr in age two, this is a revolutionary tactic! Definitely OP strategy!

    Combine this with, Skhsri's Iroquois stealth scout attack, My Perfect Spanish rush, and your Sioux Evening Star! That would be so much OP on one team nothing could stop us! 


    what do u mean us??? im not playing on ur team...


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  •  06-19-2012, 1:47 AM 959535 in reply to 959530
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    Subject: Re: Sioux Evening Star
    Nice. Excellent at trolling enemy.

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    great, post your horse porn for all to see

  •  06-19-2012, 2:01 AM 959536 in reply to 959470
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    Subject: Re: Sioux Evening Star
    Pretty nice strategy bro, still won't admit Iroquois is good until you admit Ports are good :P but this seems like a straightforward strategy, Sioux are one of my favorite civs, I think the axe riders are OP, as I had 50 of them and destroyed 3 enemies in 1 go. Of course, they were all Legendary and had a few boost cards, but I had 10k gold, 40k food, and 6k wood left so I started spamming them while sending my War Chief with them :) oh and there's a card for making your WC do 11x more damage against artillery, the Iroquois came with 10 of their cannons, WC 1 hit killed them all :D Iroquois don't have many counters to Sioux, 16 tomahawks could be countered by 10 Axe Riders, Iroquois might do best when with teammates, Sioux are nice in 1v1 (a little) and they work wonders when paired with Germs, Ports, Otto, Jap (for me), or Dutch (massive gold production essential for nice cavalry). Evening Star is a nice card but I prefer Axe Riders over Rifle Riders since I use Axe Riders in raids all the time. I'm gonna try Evening Star (have the card but never used it), and try your strategy.

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  •  06-19-2012, 5:58 AM 959545 in reply to 959536
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    Subject: Re: Sioux Evening Star
    *sigh* i hope 1 day u will realize the true power of iro.

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  •  06-19-2012, 6:07 AM 959546 in reply to 959545
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    Subject: Re: Sioux Evening Star
    I wish you could acknowledge Ports a bit too, they're one of my fav civs =(

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  •  06-19-2012, 8:00 AM 959550 in reply to 959546
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    Subject: Re: Sioux Evening Star

    http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/27/crosstable.jpg

    this proove how gud is irq and how bad is port 


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    Optimal explanation .. very succinctly


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  •  06-19-2012, 7:57 PM 959584 in reply to 959530
    TacticalWillie TacticalWillie is not online. Last active: 12-26-2013, 9:58 AM
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    Subject: Re: Sioux Evening Star
    Grandevous:
    TacticalWillie:
    The OP Sioux war-chief and OP rr in age two, this is a revolutionary tactic! Definitely OP strategy!

    Combine this with, Skhsri's Iroquois stealth scout attack, My Perfect Spanish rush, and your Sioux Evening Star! That would be so much OP on one team nothing could stop us! 


    what do u mean us??? im not playing on ur team...



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  •  06-20-2012, 1:33 AM 959628 in reply to 959584
    Grandevous Grandevous is not online. Last active: 08-31-2013, 7:56 AM
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    Subject: Re: Sioux Evening Star
    Er.....

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