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Yes, Musk is the main component for a successful rush or TR, they are the most OP musk in the game, with missionary aura they get 80 attack! that beats even OP ash attack with its aura horse guys!

Most pros also use Musk since they beat British Musk and can beat skirms, horses, dopps the only real counter to them is cannons, but Spain have culvs which get the OP aura bonus too so that takes cannon out, so all in all there is no counter to Spains OP muskets...

 EDIT: there is only one counter to them, using Wakina since Wakina are most OP they can take them down, just go 99 wakina + teepees vs spain= gg wakina

Spanish Dragoon and Musketeers are about as useful as Dragoons are with British, and Muskets are with France in tr.

TacticalWillie:

Yes, Musk is the main component for a successful rush or TR, they are the most OP musk in the game, with missionary aura they get 80 attack! that beats even OP ash attack with its aura horse guys!

Most pros also use Musk since they beat British Musk and can beat skirms, horses, dopps the only real counter to them is cannons, but Spain have culvs which get the OP aura bonus too so that takes cannon out, so all in all there is no counter to Spains OP muskets...

 EDIT: there is only one counter to them, using Wakina since Wakina are most OP they can take them down, just go 99 wakina + teepees vs spain= gg wakina

Even if Spanish Musk can gun down Skirms, its not at all cost effective, and definitely not even close to being as cost effective as Spain can be. Only reason British can sometimes get away with it is because of their eco.

TheKillerClown_Sucks:

Spanish Dragoon and Musketeers are about as useful as Dragoons are with British, and Muskets are with France in tr.

Your post makes no sense all of those units are extremely useful parts for them civs

TacticalWillie:

TheKillerClown_Sucks:

Spanish Dragoon and Musketeers are about as useful as Dragoons are with British, and Muskets are with France in tr.

Your post makes no sense all of those units are extremely useful parts for them civs

Oh right, how could I have made such a large mistake. British Dragoons are wayyyy better than their muskets. Also using the worst musk in the game over voltigures makes a lot of sense while playing france.. Stupid me.

jayve98:

actually brit goons are 2nd to port i believe, and theyre useful when camping or when u just got drained hard so u start capming. and yeah skhsri i was there when u learned that xD also spain musks are just stupid to use. and goons imo for spain are only useful in spain mirrors since lancers screw all inf

You've completely missed the point. Spain musk are really good. They just have no purpose in their army what so ever, since you're using a unit thats making your composition weaker. Which is exactly what happens with British. I would even consider Musk/LB better than Dragoon/LB.

If you make Dragoon in a Spain mirror, you're making a unit that is countered by almost everything. Dragoons in general aren't that useful in many compositions. Only Skirm/Goon compos, and only with a few civs like Ports and Dutch. Same goes for Musketeers - British, Japan, ect.

No.

Longbow/Musk > Longbow/Dragoon.

No.

I have no idea of how you implement a Dragoon into a Spain army composition without weakening it entirely. I would think it would be simple to understand that making a Dragoon, a single purpose unit, in your composition will make it weaker. Seriously think about it. Its simple. 100 pop vs 100 pop. XX% skirm XX% rodelero XX% Lancer XX% Artillery. Now take something away and add Dragoons. Take what rodelero away? Now you've weakened your entire army, and ultimately your Melee ability. Take anything away. Skirm, now your opponent has more skirms. Skirms counter Dragoons. Lancers? Now you're playing a defensive game and taking away your ability to push. Ect.

TheKillerClown_Sucks:

No.

Longbow/Musk > Longbow/Dragoon.

No.

I have no idea of how you implement a Dragoon into a Spain army composition without weakening it entirely. I would think it would be simple to understand that making a Dragoon, a single purpose unit, in your composition will make it weaker. Seriously think about it. Its simple. 100 pop vs 100 pop. XX% skirm XX% rodelero XX% Lancer XX% Artillery. Now take something away and add Dragoons. Take what rodelero away? Now you've weakened your entire army, and ultimately your Melee ability. Take anything away. Skirm, now your opponent has more skirms. Skirms counter Dragoons. Lancers? Now you're playing a defensive game and taking away your ability to push. Ect.

 

skirms also counter rods. and im saying that only in a spanish mirror, not any other spanish game. otherwise ur rods will just get like 1-2 hit by lancers and u cant stop the lancers at all. so u have to use something from a range to kill a lancer, although u can also use hussar to meatshield them. 

TheKillerClown_Sucks:

Oh right, how could I have made such a large mistake. British Dragoons are wayyyy better than their muskets. Also using the worst musk in the game over voltigures makes a lot of sense while playing france.. Stupid me.

I agree that French musk are pretty bad, but wouldn't some of them be needed in a mirror vs a cuirs spammer, for ex.? Or maybe goons instead?

I recently played a french mirror vs a capt. I made skirm-cuirs-canon for the first battle and he waited till the last minute and just spammed 40 cuirs. Turns out that his "composition" beat mine. I hardly ever play france so I'm not sure how to deal with strong hand cav spam.

TheKillerClown_Sucks:

TacticalWillie:

TheKillerClown_Sucks:

Spanish Dragoon and Musketeers are about as useful as Dragoons are with British, and Muskets are with France in tr.

Your post makes no sense all of those units are extremely useful parts for them civs

Oh right, how could I have made such a large mistake. British Dragoons are wayyyy better than their muskets. Also using the worst musk in the game over voltigures makes a lot of sense while playing france.. Stupid me.

Russian Musk definetly worse :P. do you use spain musk in rush though at all? caus rods are pointless in rush tbh they do 10 attack and when your rushing you might see 3 hussar shipment and thats probably the most cav you'll see. pretty sure musk have more siege too 

Hardly lol.

Musk can work in supremacy I think. Rod/Huss is also good in some situations in colonial play. Musk would be better if rushing a ff, or making like 5-10 after heading to age 3 to defend. Even musk/huss would work as them, but its weaker than most civs' because Spain is quite a bit slower.