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  •  07-04-2012, 11:07 PM 960797
    ottoman guy ottoman guy is not online. Last active: 07-26-2013, 4:13 AM
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    Subject: Help with Germans

    Okay guys, I've been testing out the Germans lately to see if they're a descent civ for me to play as, and I have some questions! 

    1. So far, I've utilized the settler wagons, and they're great! In order to have a 100 pop army, I made 60 settlers(1 pop), and 20 settler wagons(which is max number you can make, 2 pop). Is this a good idea? Should I just max out all my settlers as well? 

    2. Are War Wagons worth it? They seem pretty strong but it's also very expensive, in terms of resources and population(taking up 3 pop). So far I've ignored using them, so are these wagons good at all?

    3. I've noticed that key German units cost more coin than food( dopples, skirms, and uhlans). Therefore, I tend to put more workers on coin than food. Is this a good idea or will it backfire?

    4. Is it just me or do German units train slower compared to other civs?

    5. Speaking of being slow, it also seems that Germans receive shipments slower than other civs. Is this true or am I just impatient? :P

     

    Answers are greatly appreciated! Thanks! 


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  •  07-04-2012, 11:12 PM 960799 in reply to 960797
    the BAMF the BAMF is not online. Last active: 03-12-2013, 7:04 PM
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    Subject: Re: Help with Germans

    max out settlers and then delete 40 before treaty over. delete uhlans too. idk about war wagons, i use them in sup but not all that much in treaty. i try to use dopple for cav. but ww might be better wait for more replies. yeah german is coin heavy, you will need more on coin. german does have slower train time for some units (mainly dopple). i think all civs have the same shipment rate except spain which is faster. could be wrong though but i'm pretty sure. 

     


    ozn:

    I guess the only way Brit can beat German is they have Americans helping them.


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    Most horse units are cavalry

  •  07-05-2012, 12:00 AM 960803 in reply to 960797
    TheKillerClown_Sucks TheKillerClown_Sucks is not online. Last active: 12-11-2013, 6:52 PM
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    Subject: Re: Help with Germans

    1. Your population is good and a good spot to start. 100 pop (60v 20sw) will assure you gather faster than most euro civs. If you start deleting, hitting close to 80 pop (40v 20sw) you begin to gather slow than Portuguese. Adjust accordingly to the vs you're vs, eg vs British, keeping a lot of vill pop can be advantageous, imo.

    2. WW/skirm can be a good composition. Its easy to use, and can put up a good fight against most civs, but also needs artillery support. Dopp/uhlan/Skirm can work well without much artillery.

    3. Germans units do cost more coin, so it can be a good idea to be gathering mostly coin, however if you're playing natives on Andes, more than 20 sw on food may be required, if you're not using natives, 16-18 sw on food will support their military.

    4. Germans dopples train slower than most civs, about the same speed as Ottomans Abus guns. Their Skirms train the same as any other civ. On Andes with the native speed tech, the train speeds are almost unnoticeable.

    5. Not 100% sure, but I think they do come in slower than normal civs, because they give Uhlans. I could be wrong, but it makes sense for balancing in Supremacy.

    Hope this helps.


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  •  07-05-2012, 12:27 AM 960808 in reply to 960803
    NamelessIam NamelessIam is not online. Last active: 11-12-2012, 4:54 AM
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    Subject: Re: Help with Germans
    dops work better than ww.. make dop

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  •  07-05-2012, 1:16 AM 960815 in reply to 960808
    HunterCallahan HunterCallahan is not online. Last active: 09-13-2013, 10:24 AM
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    Subject: Re: Help with Germans
    Germans do get shipments a bit slower because of the whole Uhlan thing

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    wut inn thee fawk r u tokking abowt?
  •  07-05-2012, 1:58 AM 960819 in reply to 960808
    TheKillerClown_Sucks TheKillerClown_Sucks is not online. Last active: 12-11-2013, 6:52 PM
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    Subject: Re: Help with Germans

    NamelessIam:
    dops work better than ww.. make dop

    Skirm/WW > Skirm/Dopp

    Skirm/WW < Skirm/Dopp/Uhlan.

    L2Play.


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  •  07-05-2012, 3:19 AM 960827 in reply to 960797
    TacticalWillie TacticalWillie is not online. Last active: 12-26-2013, 9:58 AM
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    Subject: Re: Help with Germans

    Answer to question 1) Yes, max out to your total villagers 119, your men are expense you need all the villagers you can get to keep up with there cost.

    Answer to question 2) War Wagons, the best antihorse and cannon unit they have the highest attack and most hitpoints they are very OP, so yes they are worth it with any conposition of men your making.

    Answer to question 3) Nah, just keep it 50-50% since war wagons are balanced and that is the most important unit thats all you need.

    Answer to question 4) A bit slower.

    Answer to question 5) Germans receive OP shipments that have ulhans inside them, so yes they will come a bit slower just because they are OP.

    Glad I could answer all your questions. Have fun gaming


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  •  07-05-2012, 3:46 AM 960828 in reply to 960827
    Katsu-S~S Katsu-S~S is not online. Last active: 03-18-2014, 9:50 PM
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    Subject: Re: Help with Germans
    TacticalWillie:

    Answer to question 1) Yes, max out to your total villagers 119, your men are expense you need all the villagers you can get to keep up with there cost.

    Answer to question 2) War Wagons, the best antihorse and cannon unit they have the highest attack and most hitpoints they are very OP, so yes they are worth it with any conposition of men your making.

    Answer to question 3) Nah, just keep it 50-50% since war wagons are balanced and that is the most important unit thats all you need.

    Answer to question 4) A bit slower.

    Answer to question 5) Germans receive OP shipments that have ulhans inside them, so yes they will come a bit slower just because they are OP.

    Glad I could answer all your questions. Have fun gaming

    actually this info isnt bad at all
  •  07-05-2012, 5:44 AM 960830 in reply to 960828
    NamelessIam NamelessIam is not online. Last active: 11-12-2012, 4:54 AM
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    Subject: Re: Help with Germans
    who mentioned skirms? I said dops and ww. dop is more effective than ww.. l2Read.

    Milky__:
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  •  07-05-2012, 8:30 AM 960836 in reply to 960830
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    Subject: Re: Help with Germans
    well to see how effective a unit is, u have to think about what unit compositions it is in and judge how effective that is. if u didnt think about compositions it was in, you would start using spanish musk or sioux bow rider, or camels as india

    dcdonnie4:

    The more costeffective army can win vs a more expensive (better unit) because they can just keep throwing them at the other player.

  •  07-05-2012, 9:19 AM 960839 in reply to 960836
    ottoman guy ottoman guy is not online. Last active: 07-26-2013, 4:13 AM
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    Subject: Re: Help with Germans
    Thanks guys! The answers helped out a lot!

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  •  07-05-2012, 11:33 AM 960852 in reply to 960830
    TheKillerClown_Sucks TheKillerClown_Sucks is not online. Last active: 12-11-2013, 6:52 PM
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    Subject: Re: Help with Germans

    NamelessIam:
    who mentioned skirms? I said dops and ww. dop is more effective than ww.. l2Read.

    Its irrelevant to compare units like this. Like Port musk has better stats than their Dragoon. Their Dragoon is still better BECAUSE of the roll it plays with their Skirmisher ect.

    Pure Dopp > Pure WW if we're comparing stuff like conscripts, so I guess you would be right in that regard.

    But again, L2Play TR, its not hard.


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  •  07-05-2012, 3:57 PM 960867 in reply to 960852
    NamelessIam NamelessIam is not online. Last active: 11-12-2012, 4:54 AM
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    Subject: Re: Help with Germans
    lmao! I don't play treaty! XD sorry I don't wanna sit there making an eco for 40 minutes or h/e long that thing is, just for a liccle battle at the end, like, if you lose that's 40 minutes wasted of your life. you play treaty? you learn to *** play wtf XD

    Milky__:
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    i da xpert men

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    pls men laern me aoe pls men pls
  •  07-05-2012, 4:30 PM 960871 in reply to 960867
    TheKillerClown_Sucks TheKillerClown_Sucks is not online. Last active: 12-11-2013, 6:52 PM
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    Subject: Re: Help with Germans
    That's fine, you don't have to play Treaty, you also don't have to post in TR sections. You don't have to post derogatory or irrelevant stuff about tr, because in the end, TR actually has a community, unlike DM. You sir, should L2Play a relevant game type.

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  •  07-05-2012, 7:00 PM 960891 in reply to 960871
    NamelessIam NamelessIam is not online. Last active: 11-12-2012, 4:54 AM
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    Subject: Re: Help with Germans
    don't play dm^^ haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

    Milky__:
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    Milky__:
    i da xpert men

    expert of drop men!

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