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  •  07-31-2012, 6:37 AM 963472
    Manwarrior Manwarrior is not online. Last active: 08-03-2012, 7:08 PM
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    Subject: Saloon units

    Hey guys, I play AOE 3 for some time, but I have never seen a use for this expensive and high pop saloon troops. They seen very underpowered to me. Does this units have any use at all?

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  •  07-31-2012, 9:59 AM 963475 in reply to 963472
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    Subject: Re: Saloon units

    Always check the Saloon, for the OP Lil Bombard! If you get the OP Lil Bombard, just make all bombards and 15 dragoons, and nothing can get through them! They are so OP they can take several culv hits. Also note that with Spain they are even more OP, that's right! MORE OP!



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  •  07-31-2012, 10:14 AM 963476 in reply to 963472
    0xyM0r0n 0xyM0r0n is not online. Last active: 09-25-2013, 10:39 PM
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    Subject: Re: Saloon units
    pistolero/renegado are OP in age 2 (with germans u get palatine shipments) they get around 40ish attack: 1.5x more than any other inf at that age

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  •  07-31-2012, 10:22 AM 963478 in reply to 963472
    Metis Metis is not online. Last active: Thu, Dec 26 2013, 1:38 AM
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    Subject: Re: Saloon units

    In rush games, the expert comps use saloon units a lot. In Age III and IV they can be pretty powerful. I've even used them in treaty games.

    I won a 1v1 once as Otts versus a French by using Dance Hall Ronin. His first several attacks were Gendarme spams, which were completely decimated by the Ronin. After that he never sent a single hand cavalry unit my way but only made skirm and muskets, which I killed with Hussars and Abus.

    There are really good counters to mercs though -- Ninjas and Spies. 

    I was once facing a Hatamoto spammer as Ports. I had seen him pick an export deck early on so I knew he was going to do this. I was quite happy to see Ninja at the saloon. It's funny when you send a bunch of Ninja against Hatamoto when the Japan player doesn't know that they have the merc tag and that Ninja have a 10x bonus against mercenaries. Spies, also are good versus mercs with their 20x bonus, especially good are spies with the Agent or Assassin upgrade. 

    If you want to become familiar with what the Saloon units can do then play one of the Colosseum games that use them extensively. 

  •  08-03-2012, 7:08 PM 963834 in reply to 963478
    Manwarrior Manwarrior is not online. Last active: 08-03-2012, 7:08 PM
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    Subject: Re: Saloon units

    Thanks for all the tips guys, I will now be more aware of this units ;)

     

  •  08-04-2012, 8:08 AM 963863 in reply to 963834
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    Subject: Re: Saloon units
    I mean have you actually looked at the stats for a marathan thuggee? They have like 210 life and do 90 damage versus heavy infrantry. with palantine they are actually rather OP. Same with renegados.

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  •  08-04-2012, 7:49 PM 963897 in reply to 963863
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    Subject: Re: Saloon units
    They might be useful, but I never see pros building a saloon and pumping out renegadeos....

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  •  08-04-2012, 8:46 PM 963900 in reply to 963897
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    Subject: Re: Saloon units

    The other day, playing Spain, I made a lot of renegados more or less as a joke but they actually did pretty good.

    • 97 ranged attack @ 18 range with a 2x multiplier vs heavy infantry and ranged cavalry
    • resist 30% of ranged attacks.
    • 58 siege and 29 hand attack.

    They would be a darn good unit if they weren't 4 population.

     

     

  •  08-04-2012, 9:35 PM 963901 in reply to 963900
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    Subject: Re: Saloon units
    The word OP should be banned from the forums, so we don't have to hear JoeL saying it several times per post.
  •  08-05-2012, 2:24 AM 963911 in reply to 963901
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    Subject: Re: Saloon units
    LordStefanIII:
    The word OP should be banned from the forums, so we don't have to hear JoeL saying it several times per post.
    That'd be too OP of a rule though.

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  •  08-05-2012, 4:29 PM 963940 in reply to 963900
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    Subject: Re: Saloon units
    Metis:

    The other day, playing Spain, I made a lot of renegados more or less as a joke but they actually did pretty good.

    • 97 ranged attack @ 18 range with a 2x multiplier vs heavy infantry and ranged cavalry
    • resist 30% of ranged attacks.
    • 58 siege and 29 hand attack.

    They would be a darn good unit if they weren't 4 population.

     

     

    Metis, do you mean 97 range attack after you factor in the multipliers or did you somehow upgrade them? I thought they had like 40 attack. 


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  •  08-05-2012, 4:44 PM 963941 in reply to 963940
    Metis Metis is not online. Last active: Thu, Dec 26 2013, 1:38 AM
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    Subject: Re: Saloon units
    tycho.psycho:
    Metis, do you mean 97 range attack after you factor in the multipliers or did you somehow upgrade them? I thought they had like 40 attack.

    They do have 40 base attack. However, note that I was playing as Spain. I ran a test to make sure though. In Imperial age and with the arsenal upgrades and unction, Renegados have 97 attack. 

     

  •  08-07-2012, 7:57 AM 964043 in reply to 963941
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    Subject: Re: Saloon units

    I just played a game with blind monks from the saloon, not eco/pop efficient but good fun.

  •  08-07-2012, 8:22 AM 964049 in reply to 964043
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    Subject: Re: Saloon units
    the few times ive played china i usually check the monastery to see if their is a good anti cav unit since their anti cav is a joke lol

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    The more costeffective army can win vs a more expensive (better unit) because they can just keep throwing them at the other player.

  •  08-07-2012, 8:50 AM 964056 in reply to 964049
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    Subject: Re: Saloon units

    jayve98:
    the few times ive played china i usually check the monastery to see if their is a good anti cav unit since their anti cav is a joke lol

    They are like strelet versions of cav archer lol.


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