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Re: 30 ashigarus vs 5 falconets, who wins?

(Au)Ben_Martin_aoe3 — Sun, 05 Jul 2009 04:16:06 GMT

yohomes:
oh did i also mention that ur test is invalid because 5 falconets equals 25 pop and 30 ashigarus equals 30 pop, learn to count.

It's not an invalid test, he just wanted to know what wins against which, from a real scenario, not one made up in the editor. Learn to read ;)

Re: 30 ashigarus vs 5 falconets, who wins?

1x1 — Sat, 04 Jul 2009 21:12:03 GMT

so are you also saying that 5 skirms should not win against 6 musks becuase 5<6?

Re: 30 ashigarus vs 5 falconets, who wins?

yohomes — Sat, 04 Jul 2009 20:17:17 GMT

oh did i also mention that ur test is invalid because 5 falconets equals 25 pop and 30 ashigarus equals 30 pop, learn to count.

Re: 30 ashigarus vs 5 falconets, who wins?

rescawen — Sat, 04 Jul 2009 07:54:55 GMT

dutch letting the game go on 2 iv age against japan, shame...

skirms are a better choice vs them btw. ashis can get 56 in iv age which is OP, but dutchs 150 pop should overwhelm them, dutch should beat japan in 2age?

dunno gs knows.

Re: 30 ashigarus vs 5 falconets, who wins?

yohomes — Sat, 04 Jul 2009 04:45:30 GMT

lol obvious noob is obvious, so easy to counter a ashi spam u r just bad

make some heavy inf to block cavalry, than have some ranged inf/light inf w.e the hell skirms are called and cannons, this will annihilate any ashigarus

Re: 30 ashigarus vs 5 falconets, who wins?

Lojzek — Fri, 03 Jul 2009 23:35:58 GMT

Metis:
Stagger mode supposedly spreads your units out so that the splash from cannon fire won't kill as many per shot. "Stagger" is one of the hardest things to teach soldiers in the real army as humans have a tendency to bunch up, especially in dangerous situations.

It seems it is even hard to teach programmers to program "stagger" effectively. The stager formation works properly only at small numbers: at large numbers (like 50 musketeers) it only flattens the rectangular formation without increasing it's area.

Re: 30 ashigarus vs 5 falconets, who wins?

EdyPegasus — Fri, 03 Jul 2009 02:18:40 GMT

Metis:
Stagger mode supposedly spreads your units out so that the splash from cannon fire won't kill as many per shot. "Stagger" is one of the hardest things to teach soldiers in the real army as humans have a tendency to bunch up, especially in dangerous situations.

True, this might have helped in hand to hand combat but when cannons, granades, RPGs, mines(or any other major explosives came around) spreading out units is the only way to keep the majority of them safe.

In hand combat you can protect each other from all sides and a bunch of units could hold off 10 times more because all the units cannot attack at the same time. Arrows would rarely be used at this time because the risk you might kill more of your own units then your enemy.

Re: 30 ashigarus vs 5 falconets, who wins?

Metis — Fri, 03 Jul 2009 00:20:34 GMT

Stagger mode supposedly spreads your units out so that the splash from cannon fire won't kill as many per shot. "Stagger" is one of the hardest things to teach soldiers in the real army as humans have a tendency to bunch up, especially in dangerous situations.

Re: 30 ashigarus vs 5 falconets, who wins?

artisticcheese — Thu, 02 Jul 2009 23:59:32 GMT

dinifettimuetter:

why the hell shouldn't you use stagger mode?

Isn't this exactly what this was made for?

What stagger mode will do?

Re: 30 ashigarus vs 5 falconets, who wins?

dinifettimuetter — Thu, 02 Jul 2009 23:54:52 GMT

why the hell shouldn't you use stagger mode?

Isn't this exactly what this was made for?

Re: 30 ashigarus vs 5 falconets, who wins?

Metis — Thu, 02 Jul 2009 23:51:03 GMT

In the scenario editor, I found that the results can go both ways. If the Ashigaru are just left to stand there and fire on their own in standard ranged mode, then the falconets will beat them. However, if the Ashis are microed at all they will beat the falconets. If you run little groups of 5 at each falconet in melee mode it's no contest -- the Ashis win hands down. If you stay in ranged mode and concentrate your fire on a single cannon at a time you will still win, but you will lose many more Ashis.

Re: 30 ashigarus vs 5 falconets, who wins?

artisticcheese — Thu, 02 Jul 2009 23:31:38 GMT

Hanzo_Razor:

Sooooo....u only had 5 canons with no other untis to protect them? The japo wouldve owned u with just five nagitas.

I had around 10 Ruyeters to protect them which destroyed Nagitas and were killed by Nagitas and ashigarus so in then end only falconets and ashigarus were left.

Re: 30 ashigarus vs 5 falconets, who wins?

Hanzo_Razor — Thu, 02 Jul 2009 23:24:23 GMT

Sooooo....u only had 5 canons with no other untis to protect them? The japo wouldve owned u with just five nagitas.

Re: 30 ashigarus vs 5 falconets, who wins?

gs — Thu, 02 Jul 2009 22:30:48 GMT

nope, even in ranged, as long as the ashi user isn't too stupid to put them in stagger mode.

then again even if he doesnt put them in stagger, they still might win.

Re: 30 ashigarus vs 5 falconets, who wins?

artisticcheese — Thu, 02 Jul 2009 22:26:01 GMT

gs:

30 ashigaru >>>>>> 5 falcs.

bigtime.

Not unless ashigaru in ranged mode. I expected opposite effect.