Supremacy Strategy

Re: Sams=OP

gooback — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 02:28:33 GMT

GuitarHeroMatt:

gooback:
hatamotos can only be built with export. If you maxd out villagers, you get roughly 2 export a second (0.02 per villager * 100), so unless your boosting export, it takes 145 seconds to get enough export for 1 sam. thats 2:25, so to make an army of say, 20, would take a bit over 48 minutes, and that doesn't let u buy anything from the consulate for that time, not an efficient way to build an army, besides, than can be countered by skirms and cannons anyway.

Remember the Dowager Express card, which turns all of ur Coin into Export.... So 10000 or even 29000 Export may be achievable...

Also villies gather at 0.03 per sec and this can be boosted to 0.05 per sec via the Consulate, but this makes ur gather rate 10% worse.

Got a good point with the dowager express card, although other than that, export trickles in slowly, and they take up a lot of population, and can be cheaply and effectively counterd by skirmishers and falconets based on a 1-1 population basis. My facts aren't all reliable, but fielding a full army of hatamotos is still uneconomical, and too easily countered. they are better when mixed with other units, maybe some ashi or something...

Re: Sams=OP

GTM — Sat, 31 May 2008 15:50:00 GMT

gooback:
hatamotos can only be built with export. If you maxd out villagers, you get roughly 2 export a second (0.02 per villager * 100), so unless your boosting export, it takes 145 seconds to get enough export for 1 sam. thats 2:25, so to make an army of say, 20, would take a bit over 48 minutes, and that doesn't let u buy anything from the consulate for that time, not an efficient way to build an army, besides, than can be countered by skirms and cannons anyway.

Remember the Dowager Express card, which turns all of ur Coin into Export.... So 10000 or even 29000 Export may be achievable...

Also villies gather at 0.03 per sec and this can be boosted to 0.05 per sec via the Consulate, but this makes ur gather rate 10% worse.

Re: Sams=OP

gooback — Sat, 31 May 2008 14:50:59 GMT

hatamotos can only be built with export. If you maxd out villagers, you get roughly 2 export a second (0.02 per villager * 100), so unless your boosting export, it takes 145 seconds to get enough export for 1 sam. thats 2:25, so to make an army of say, 20, would take a bit over 48 minutes, and that doesn't let u buy anything from the consulate for that time, not an efficient way to build an army, besides, than can be countered by skirms and cannons anyway.

Re: Sams=OP

TrojanMan131 — Mon, 19 May 2008 20:23:53 GMT

TheRomans:
They do their job and co-enside with history as being one of the best soldiers on earth, if your sword can cut through another guys sword if hit the correct way that is pretty OP so if they are keep them that way.
A sword won't cut a sword, but a bullet will break a sword. Like they say, "Those who live by the sword get shot by those who don't."

its"those who live by the sword die by those who dont"btw

Re: Sams=OP

Liberty's Vice — Mon, 19 May 2008 08:23:33 GMT

Henry Clay a.k.a. jacklope:
Cant you find an internet conection that isnt crap?

Unfortunately, no

And besides, that happens in Skirmish games. What I'm saying is that if I spam, say, Cuirassier with Speed always wins, I will always have 10,000+ recourses. However, when I spam Hamatotos, my Export goes down to about 100 sometimes.

Re: Sams=OP

Sauron's Bane — Mon, 19 May 2008 03:16:45 GMT

Zoogle:
EdyPegasus:

lubi125:
seriously hamamoto samurai are OP

They were meant to be OP. They are only avaliable in the late game and for a short time, they can finish a game or help a person when in need. They are very expensive(export wise) and can only be used a few times as a full force.

When I play skirmish and use "Speed always wins", Export is the only recourse that can reach the Double Digits when spamming a unit - in this case the Hamatoto.

Cant you find an internet conection that isnt crap?

Re: Sams=OP

GTM — Sun, 18 May 2008 13:17:03 GMT

Henry Clay a.k.a. jacklope:
How? You can only get export one way and it doesnt gather very fast.Plus it's 290 expot a unit.

Thats more or less the equivalent of 2000 resources per samurai from un upgraded villies. Thats also about the same cost as 3 Siege Elephants... for an infantry unit. Call it OP? Pffff

Re: Sams=OP

Liberty's Vice — Sun, 18 May 2008 09:40:33 GMT

EdyPegasus:
lubi125:
seriously hamamoto samurai are OP

They were meant to be OP. They are only avaliable in the late game and for a short time, they can finish a game or help a person when in need. They are very expensive(export wise) and can only be used a few times as a full force.

When I play skirmish and use "Speed always wins", Export is the only recourse that can reach the Double Digits when spamming a unit - in this case the Hamatoto.

Re: Sams=OP

EdyPegasus — Sun, 18 May 2008 02:25:53 GMT

lubi125:
seriously hamamoto samurai are OP

They were meant to be OP. They are only avaliable in the late game and for a short time, they can finish a game or help a person when in need. They are very expensive(export wise) and can only be used a few times as a full force.

Re: Sams=OP

dictator of world — Sat, 17 May 2008 06:06:01 GMT

Hand morts are much easier to get and are less expensive then a euro mort i say this because you can span more h-morts then euro morts and think of it more unit pro hard it is to kill the army

Re: Sams=OP

Sauron's Bane — Sat, 17 May 2008 05:46:16 GMT

How? You can only get export one way and it doesnt gather very fast.Plus it's 290 expot a unit.

Re: Sams=OP

LoboSoldier — Sat, 17 May 2008 04:59:49 GMT

I agree.

Re: Sams=OP

lubi125 — Sat, 17 May 2008 04:38:49 GMT

seriously hamamoto samurai are OP

Re: Sams=OP

diggo11 — Wed, 14 May 2008 06:35:45 GMT

Hand Mortars are way UP, although all stats, cost and pop should be 5x less (with equal train time because 5 can train at once). Therefore 1 Imperial Hand Mortar = 5 Exalted Hand Mortar.

Re: Sams=OP

haroldlkh — Wed, 14 May 2008 05:58:57 GMT

maybe in late game they are more cost efficient