Supremacy Strategy

Re: Ottoman Heavy Calvary Rush

A414A | IncogNoto — Sun, 10 Aug 2008 18:47:10 GMT

Иван Грозный:
psyopus:
Isn't a hussar a light calvary?
no.
Heavy cav = Hussars, cuirrassiers, cossacks, or any other hand cavalry (also rifle riders).
Light cav = Dragoons, cavalry archer, ruyters, or any other cavalry that got ranged attack (including rifle riders).

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Re: Ottoman Heavy Calvary Rush

Hazza5001 — Sun, 10 Aug 2008 18:41:14 GMT

I read that poem in English recently :) It's one of Bruce Dickinson's favourite quotes. Always puts AOE images in my head (yeah I'm that sad).

Re: Ottoman Heavy Calvary Rush

minish teh monkey — Wed, 06 Aug 2008 01:30:54 GMT

Isn't the hussar light cav?

Also early on pikeman are dirtcheap and would crush your hussars since theyr fairly cheap early on most players would be able to afford at least 1 or 2 of them.

Re: Ottoman Heavy Calvary Rush

BlackMamba — Wed, 06 Aug 2008 00:51:11 GMT

The game has heavy and light cav named as they do for balance reasons. If counter cav were slower that anti-inf cav, they would be retarded and worthless. To go along with, the name light cav should go with the faster cav, and vice versa.

In addition, the armor worn by cav would have a greater effect on speed than the use or rifles over swords and lances. If we assume resistance and HP represent armor, hussars, lancers and cuirassiers would thus be the heavier cav.

Re: Ottoman Heavy Calvary Rush

Xar_Kaidra — Wed, 06 Aug 2008 00:23:17 GMT

Half a League, half a league, half a league onward doesn't ring a bell?

Charge of the Light brigade man, the poem tells it better. Check it out on Wikipedia or something.

Re: Ottoman Heavy Calvary Rush

Alex7545 — Sun, 03 Aug 2008 21:43:49 GMT

Metis:

"Heavy cav = Hussars, cuirrassiers, cossacks, or any other hand cavalry (also rifle riders).

Light cav = Dragoons, cavalry archer, ruyters, or any other cavalry that got ranged attack (including rifle riders)."

During the Battle of Balaclava in the Crimean War in 1854 a contingent of light horse under a mistaken relay of orders attacked up a long valley into artillery and were decimated (well at 118 out of 673 killed a little more than decimated, which is literally is only 1/10^th causalities.)

The Light Brigade consisted of the 4th and 13th Light Dragoons, 17th Lancers, and the 8th and 11th Hussars and was actually sent to retrieve some captured British guns but attacked the main emplaced Russian batteries instead under a mis-relay of orders. Even then they may have fared better had they charged, rather than slowly trotted up the valley, giving the gunners time to train their weapons.

The Heavy Brigade of horse which was composed of the 4th Royal Irish Dragoon Guards, the 5th Dragoon Guards, the 6th Inniskilling Dragoons and the Scots Greys (carabineers) was held back by its commander as he saw no sense in getting two brigades killed. Though a very reasonable assumption to make, in hindsight this was a mistake as with the support of the Heavy the Light would have probably actually taken the Russian guns that day.

As rifles and ammunition are heavier than swords and lances the game actually has it backwards: hand cavalry should be light and ranged cavalry heavy. Light cavalry tactics are to hit and run, whereas heavy cavalry can stand and fight for a more extended period of time. Another version of cavalry is light horse infantry, which are actually infantry who ride into battle on horses, dismount, and then fight on foot. The US Cavalry in the Indian wars acted thusly and were more mounted infantry than cavalry per se.

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Re: Ottoman Heavy Calvary Rush

Drüd — Sun, 03 Aug 2008 21:38:45 GMT

Right... er... well I could have sworn that when you put the mouse over a hussar, it says "Hussar:Light cavalry" But I agree, it makes more sense that Uhlans and cossacks should be considered light cav, while hussars and lancers are medium cav, and gendames and spahis (historically called sipahis) are heavy cav. But it is not this way for some reason.... I'm pretty certain that Hussars are considered light cav and lancers, gendames, spahis are heavy.

Re: Ottoman Heavy Calvary Rush

Metis — Fri, 01 Aug 2008 04:14:43 GMT

"Heavy cav = Hussars, cuirrassiers, cossacks, or any other hand cavalry (also rifle riders).

Light cav = Dragoons, cavalry archer, ruyters, or any other cavalry that got ranged attack (including rifle riders)."

During the Battle of Balaclava in the Crimean War in 1854 a contingent of light horse under a mistaken relay of orders attacked up a long valley into artillery and were decimated (well at 118 out of 673 killed a little more than decimated, which is literally is only 1/10^th causalities.)

The Light Brigade consisted of the 4th and 13th Light Dragoons, 17th Lancers, and the 8th and 11th Hussars and was actually sent to retrieve some captured British guns but attacked the main emplaced Russian batteries instead under a mis-relay of orders. Even then they may have fared better had they charged, rather than slowly trotted up the valley, giving the gunners time to train their weapons.

The Heavy Brigade of horse which was composed of the 4th Royal Irish Dragoon Guards, the 5th Dragoon Guards, the 6th Inniskilling Dragoons and the Scots Greys (carabineers) was held back by its commander as he saw no sense in getting two brigades killed. Though a very reasonable assumption to make, in hindsight this was a mistake as with the support of the Heavy the Light would have probably actually taken the Russian guns that day.

As rifles and ammunition are heavier than swords and lances the game actually has it backwards: hand cavalry should be light and ranged cavalry heavy. Light cavalry tactics are to hit and run, whereas heavy cavalry can stand and fight for a more extended period of time. Another version of cavalry is light horse infantry, which are actually infantry who ride into battle on horses, dismount, and then fight on foot. The US Cavalry in the Indian wars acted thusly and were more mounted infantry than cavalry per se.

Re: Ottoman Heavy Calvary Rush

gooback — Fri, 01 Aug 2008 02:46:54 GMT

Иван Грозный:

psyopus:
Isn't a hussar a light calvary?

no.

Heavy cav = Hussars, cuirrassiers, cossacks, or any other hand cavalry (also rifle riders).

Light cav = Dragoons, cavalry archer, ruyters, or any other cavalry that got ranged attack (including rifle riders).

I think they should change the description of hussar, because it is now something along the lines of "light cavalry armed with cold steel", which would imply it is light cavalry

Re: Ottoman Heavy Calvary Rush

flyer300 — Fri, 01 Aug 2008 02:20:00 GMT

cool some nice strats guys thanks

Re: Ottoman Heavy Calvary Rush

Иван Грозный — Thu, 31 Jul 2008 23:21:40 GMT

psyopus:
Isn't a hussar a light calvary?

no.

Heavy cav = Hussars, cuirrassiers, cossacks, or any other hand cavalry (also rifle riders).

Light cav = Dragoons, cavalry archer, ruyters, or any other cavalry that got ranged attack (including rifle riders).

Re: Ottoman Heavy Calvary Rush

psyopus — Thu, 31 Jul 2008 23:16:43 GMT

Isn't a hussar a light calvary? And besides that going calvary early on is so easy to beat it isn't funny, and with the cost of abus you cant just pop out 5 quick and dandy in a heavy situation.

Re: Ottoman Heavy Calvary Rush

Kaicha — Thu, 24 Jul 2008 16:34:49 GMT

Not great, because you lose a lot of wood for nothing, and you'll lose a lot of VS walking to a hidden part of the map to build an AF and a stable. Also this strat takes quite some pop, and limits your numbers due to heavy coin demand.

I prefer doing a 5 jan-hussar rush, which is better since you totally surprise your enemy, then go abus-jan, which is great,since your cavalry can raid while you switch. And food is geenrated about 40% faster from hunts than gold from mines Jans being food heavy, it's better imo ^^

Re: Ottoman Heavy Calvary Rush

Blowgunner — Tue, 22 Jul 2008 03:15:05 GMT

PS: not me. or you. well maybe you. Im not that great.

Re: Ottoman Heavy Calvary Rush

Blowgunner — Tue, 22 Jul 2008 03:13:15 GMT

JB_Xyooj:
Hmm I would still prefer my Jani/Abu rush.

yes, i agree. of course that route is much easier and better! no, really, this is for like higher players. something different for use vs players who can kill the jan rush easily. Practiced and really good players who spend as much time planning as they do playing.