Supremacy Strategy

Re: Japan with new patch?

Master me — Wed, 26 Aug 2009 13:05:03 GMT

I still find them ridiculously hard to beat =S, especially if they age at about the same time.

Re: Japan with new patch?

nz_gamer — Wed, 26 Aug 2009 10:35:05 GMT

I totally disagree!!!! In this patch it is impossible to get ashi out early due to the shrine nerf you simply do not have the resources. Would be fine if you could hunt for food but you cant. Sepoy is way OP and slaughters ashi. Any good rush will beat a jap player. You may not get his army if he tries to hit n run with ashi speed, but he will be forced to garrison vills and then he is truely stuffed. i say if you are going to nerf the jap eco and the ashi then at least reduce the cost of making them

Re: Japan with new patch?

deadhanddan — Mon, 06 Jul 2009 12:40:22 GMT

^ to each his own , ppl who favor a certain civ will naturely be biased towards it. japan is a broken/lame/OP civ , it is undeniable and those who say otherwise are the ones who play japan the most.

Re: Japan with new patch?

Aaryn GenD — Mon, 06 Jul 2009 12:27:47 GMT

this "unraidable" eco which comes from their scattered shrines which take long to take them all down and from their cherry orchards is based on the 2 cherry orchards shipment[x2], japan is screwed if you misjudge to time when to ship those

japan definitly is soo nice on berry maps

i completely agree with rescawen

Re: Japan with new patch?

deadhanddan — Mon, 06 Jul 2009 11:26:21 GMT

good points edy , you understand perfectly what im talking about. new patch may have slowed japan down a smidge , but factor in unraidable eco+turtle+free eco/units+OP units and you get uber broken civ.

Re: Japan with new patch?

EdyPegasus — Mon, 06 Jul 2009 11:10:53 GMT

Yeah japan is way too difficult to raid, they should make a patch were the cerry fields need to be a certian distance away from the TC(same for indian forests). xD

Personally that is a very easy way to make them "raidable" and if a person is a good player it should not be much of a problem. The problem is that most civs need to hunt herds to get quick food, which are very raidable, japan has a cerry field right next to the TC with a mine close by for the first 15 min of game where for 10 min raiding is the only way to slow down the japanese. Sepoy rush is hard hitting but can be but they are still raidable, so you can slow down the eco.

Re: Japan with new patch?

deadhanddan — Sun, 05 Jul 2009 11:31:47 GMT

british do not get 10 muskets from cards in age 2

japan does

british need map control

japan doesnt

british do not get free units and attack upgrade from a 200 wood building

japan does

british do not have an aura producing , mobile troop training cav unit

japan does

british do not recieve free resources

japan does

british are raidable

japan isnt

another thing about british muskets , its their royal guard unit their supposed to have top notch muskets as it being ''their'' unit. where in game does it state that japan's best unit is ashi????

Re: Japan with new patch?

rescawen — Sun, 05 Jul 2009 09:47:22 GMT

aztec, russia, french, german, brit should have a good chance vs them. dual rax xbow does well vs them, as well as brit booms and russia mass inf.

brit is asa powerful as japan in this patch. ashis are really weak in 2age compared with brit muskets and sepoys.

india might be the best civ right now.

Re: Japan with new patch?

Hidan — Sat, 04 Jul 2009 16:30:56 GMT

don't get me wrong, japan kills everyone but france and sometimes russia.

Re: Japan with new patch?

Frankie_117 — Sat, 04 Jul 2009 14:51:35 GMT

Hidan:
2) I bet artillery with a meatshield does just fine.

I play as British, and Ashi tend to wipe out Redcoats as well.. Japan seems to be a natural killer of the British. I would not even make an attempt at fighting Japan with India any more, although Sepoys and Gurkhas do last longer than Musketeers/Longbows/Skirms especially with Masabdars..

Re: Japan with new patch?

EdyPegasus — Sat, 04 Jul 2009 11:25:52 GMT

Lets put it this way, 1vs1 a person of the same rank(ok same level if AOE abilities) one using japan one using any other civ. Japan civ user should win (we are talking same skill lvl not rank xD).

Japan and india, india has a very strong sepoy(HI), a 2nd age LI in the gurka, strong cav at least against villies.... both civs need a nerf bad at least in the early game, late game i dont care what they have. Japan has shrines(only way to counter is to kill all herds out there) and 5000 food cerry fields that are easy to protect. All in all if they have a mine and a few trees close by it is impossible to through off their eco, and very hard to beat their military. All this is is a steam engine rolling down a hill straight into you and you have to stop it with all you got to win.

Re: Japan with new patch?

eeyu — Sat, 04 Jul 2009 08:56:12 GMT

deadhanddan:
extra pop space as japan is a boost , not a nerf. high hp muskets should always have lower attack to compensate the hp, just like the jannisarie. problem with india and japan is their absurd muskets and OP eco, combined with bushido+daimyo makes japan an unbalanced monster that is impossible to win vs. unless in a mirror match. everyone should remember WCG 2008 : the one unit spamming mirror match fest that it was

Aye you have a point there. They have dug a hole for japan, less vills more pop space more vills higher econ. unless they make ashi have 80food/40coin/180 hp/25 attack .20 HR/2 pop space?

Re: Japan with new patch?

deadhanddan — Sat, 04 Jul 2009 08:30:57 GMT

extra pop space as japan is a boost , not a nerf. high hp muskets should always have lower attack to compensate the hp, just like the jannisarie. problem with india and japan is their absurd muskets and OP eco, combined with bushido+daimyo makes japan an unbalanced monster that is impossible to win vs. unless in a mirror match. everyone should remember WCG 2008 : the one unit spamming mirror match fest that it was

Re: Japan with new patch?

eeyu — Sat, 04 Jul 2009 08:17:25 GMT

Its a pitty that this has happend, because i love Japanese culture and history, and i will be going there in a few theres, for a school trip. I say they should have a villie max at most 70 maybe 65. Ashi hp also might need to be lowered to 165.

Re: Japan with new patch?

deadhanddan — Sat, 04 Jul 2009 08:00:12 GMT

japan this patch : OP

can't deny it , build pure ashi and laugh in the face of your opponet while his direct counter unit is being slaughtered.

next patch remove japan plz