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Let's talk about natives. (The TP ones, not Sioux/Aztec/Iro)

atm, the only usage I see of natives in most games is to buff an army once you've hit your population cap. 

However, I just played a game where the cree were on the map. I was China and they honestly saved me in that game.

I used the cree coureurs to help boost my economy in the early game (and build blockhouses for some weird reason), and the cree trackers provided a really tough skirmisher which I could build lots of. (43 with two trade posts and a card!)

So it got me thinking about which other natives I should look out for.

If I have an abundance of resources, I will build on pretty much any site and research all the techs and spam the units, but I'm wondering which ones I should go for first, based on their techs and their units.

I'd also be interested in some good native strategies. 

natives r very op for a few good reasons including eco techs, army techs etc. but best natives ive seen would be sufi natives and thier war elephants which r very cheap (200 food 80 wood) chakrams which r very nice vs buildings and massed infantry(50 food 100 wood) but these natives r only found on deccan and silkroad.for american maps try nootka which u can get a nootka chief with lots of health, mayan holcan spearmen r very good vs cav and buildings and thier slingers have area damage or my very fav native being huron mantlets,these r sort of pricey (50 food 100 gold) but they do great vs archers, skirms, and even buildings. if u plan on using natives as a major part of your strat i recomend french because they have best natives cards overall. and for best natives...dont play great plains

deadhanddan:

natives r very op for a few good reasons including eco techs, army techs etc. but best natives ive seen would be sufi natives and thier war elephants which r very cheap (200 food 80 wood) chakrams which r very nice vs buildings and massed infantry(50 food 100 wood) but these natives r only found on deccan and silkroad.for american maps try nootka which u can get a nootka chief with lots of health, mayan holcan spearmen r very good vs cav and buildings and thier slingers have area damage or my very fav native being huron mantlets,these r sort of pricey (50 food 100 gold) but they do great vs archers, skirms, and even buildings. if u plan on using natives as a major part of your strat i recomend french because they have best natives cards overall. and for best natives...dont play great plains

 

 

I didn't know you posted here.

Anyway, I agree on the holcan spearmen and the huron mantlets. I haven't really tried the nootka, but their techs look good. Does the nootka chief die, or does he just get knocked out?

I also agree on great plains being one of the worst maps for natives. I think the cheyenne are good, but there's so many TPs on the map, the opponents will just build some of their own too, which takes away your advantage. 

Natives are meant to be super units. every native has a special thing. e.g the bolas has 2 splash in colonial and its ranged. the bhakati tiger claws have a bonus V infantry in melee.

A rush i came up with as india gives you 6 war elephants in 5:30 along with war chief sfor stun and the tower of victory "inspiration" theyre powerful. althought they should be slightly boosted. they get killed waay to eaisly by many units.

1v1 Bayou. Power of TP.

No, not Toilet Paper, I’m talking about trading posts. Using local help can get you 20 inf. units as soon as you can send your first AGEII card.

Story of An Ottoman

QuickMatch. Only time I have been beaten on Qmatch as a 1^st Leuitenant. Only time. So, he was 1stLT otto, and im Portugal as always. I decided to semi FF with 10 muskts as hunting defense. [[[[[this has worked vs ottoman before. The last player was a major. I was on Bayou. With Portugal. Horrible odds, but I won. Best game of my life. Do you knw how beating a major feels? Freakin amazing.]]]]] anyway, I expected This player to either jan rush, OttoHeavyCalv Rush, or a jan/abus rush(unlikey though, ive never seen someone use it. ever). He was on the outskirts of my base 10 scondes after I aged. 10 seconds with 20 or so troops. All were natives with poor seige but high ranged attack. He had 3 out of 4 TP’s, so I couldn’t move my 2nd TC to the other side and regain map control. The TP’s are aligned in the Half-map line and nothing can get thru w/o him knowing. The only thing I could do is make a stable and spam hussars, or FF. I chose ff, as ive had much luck with it and got 2 organ guns when I aged. These should have tooken care of 20 units, but my exploror was in group 1 and was dead so when I assigned them to group 1 also, they wouldn’t fire. By the time I figured it out, he had melee mode the cannons. He used the same strategy as Mr. Milos Dutch containment video to keep me off every resourse.

His deck: so he used TP and the treaties card. I chated w/ him breifly and he said out of the 2 TP’s, he got 20 units.

Ok, so he got 20 units total from that stupid treaties card and it cost me the game. Moral of the story? Send that *4%@ card and pwn, then win b/c ur enemies will expect a jan rush.

What civ can do this and not get pwn’d by calv AND cannons? Best civ for this and worse civ for this.