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  •  08-15-2008, 12:42 PM 737298
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    Subject: Rajput

    I have been thinking about this for a while actually, that rajputs are too expensive. i know that india is considered one of the best civs, but i dont think making rajputs cheaper would make indians more OP.

    when i play as indians, i rarely create rajputs. i cant remember having see anyone else making them either.

    i looked at rajputs, halberdiers and rodeleros base stats prob a month ago, and found out that rajputs are a mix of the two others. in every way.

    halb: 200HP, 10%hand res, 25 attack(50 vs cav), 4 speed

    rodelero: 135HP, 40%hand res, 10 attack (35 vs cav), 6 speed

    rajput: 150HP, 20%hand res, 18 attack (54 vs cav), 5 speed

    so as you can see, halberdiers are the best overall unit, with a cost of 120resources alltogether.

    rodeleros are much more an anti-cav unit, with a total cost of 100 resources

    rajputs are something in between, with hp resistance speed and attack, but they cost much more. 100 in food and 35 in wood. i think that's too expensive. any opinions?


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  •  08-15-2008, 2:23 PM 737336 in reply to 737298
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    Subject: Re: Rajput

    Well before you start comparing them you have to take in consideration their veteran stats.

     

    So

    rajput: 180HP, 20%hand res(216 hp against melee), 21 attack (63 vs cav), 5 speed.24 siege

    halb: 200HP, 10%hand res(220 hp against melee), 25 attack(50 vs cav), 4 speed ,36 siege

    rodelero: 162HP, 40%hand res(227 hp against melee), 12 attack (42vs cav), 6 speed,12 siege

    jag knight: 230hp,10%hand res(253 hp against melee), 18 attack (36vs cav)(54 against hi), 4.5 speed,36 siege 

    Their stats arent that bad compared with halbs or also jags(who is the most expensive infantry and powerfull unit in pop)

    Problem is that they dont get upgrades like halbs or jags and sepoy are a great anticav unit(more than rodelero i would have compared rajput with a sepoy) that also is overall better.

    I think they should cost 120 res,maybe 70 food and 50 wood? 

     

  •  08-15-2008, 2:24 PM 737338 in reply to 737298
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    Subject: Re: Rajput
    They're fast, so you can actually use them like Cav (raid, take out artillery, you can give skirms are hard time as well (even if they're HI), if you use them with Gurhka and Sowars as well. Rajputs are fine imo. The reason they might seem useless is because they're overshadowed by other indian units, which are much better (though you said this). Notice that Rajputs do more damage to cav than rods, halbs, or even pikes. That, coupled with speed, makes them a great anti-cav unit. I dont mean you chase Cav with them, I mean you can bring them up faster to protect Gurhka's, than you could use pikes. 18 attack isn't nothing, you can raid with them as well I guess (better than rods can prolly). All in all a good unit, not sure if it's OP or not. But not UP I think.


  •  08-15-2008, 3:36 PM 737383 in reply to 737298
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    Subject: Re: Rajput

    1. The discussion of "boosting raj puts" have been in agecomm since the release of TAD.

    2. Why didnt you put this in the balance section...

    3. As polpettone said, halbs got veteran stats, its the same that you compare a veteran unit with 2 colonial units.


  •  08-15-2008, 3:59 PM 737423 in reply to 737383
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    Subject: Re: Rajput

    -true that i forgot about the veteran stats.

    -i've never seen anyone mentioning a rajput boost before, sorry, and sorry that i put it in the wrong section.

    still i think they are too expensive. halbs cost 120 in resources and rajputs 135, plus, wood takes longer time to gather..

    indians do have a lot of wood though, i know..

    anyways my suggestion is to make them cost 90 in food and 30 in wood.


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  •  08-15-2008, 4:05 PM 737428 in reply to 737423
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    Subject: Re: Rajput
    Coalblooded:

    still i think they are too expensive. halbs cost 120 in resources and rajputs 135, plus, wood takes longer time to gather..

    indians do have a lot of wood though, i know..

    anyways my suggestion is to make them cost 90 in food and 30 in wood.

    But food takes less time to gather than coin... And in raj puts cost, there is 3 times more food than wood, but in halbs cost they got 1.5 times more coin tahn food...

    Also, as you said, Indians got a lot of wood, thanks to foreign logging+distributivism+India's bonus of 10% in wood gathering.

    However I kinda agree with you, raj puts should cost 90 food and 25 wood to be more o less balanced...


  •  08-15-2008, 4:19 PM 737437 in reply to 737428
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    Subject: Re: Rajput

    Imo, Rajs either need to be completely reworked, kept exactly the same, or deleted. Atm, sepoys and zams are great against cav, and the sepoys can siege better than Rajs too. In fact, the only advanatge the Rajput has over the Sepoy is speed, which doesnt really matter to the typical Indian that much if he Agra pushes.




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  •  08-15-2008, 4:22 PM 737440 in reply to 737383
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    Subject: Re: Rajput
    Иван Грозный:

    1. The discussion of "boosting raj puts" have been in agecomm since the release of TAD.

    2. Why didnt you put this in the balance section...

    3. As polpettone said, halbs got veteran stats, its the same that you compare a veteran unit with 2 colonial units.

    1. So why would it stop? Rajputs are a cool unit, and always make for interesting dicussions. Also, there's no space between "raj" and "puts".
    2. Because he's entitled to post anywhere he wants, like all members here. This doesn't have to be in the balance section, even if it would fit in there.
    3. Learn grammar. Also, Rajputs have 2 cards for them, as well as consulate.

     

    Frankly, you're a member just like everyone else here. You need to stop treating everyone like a nub, post count aren't $$$$, stop spamming or die, nub.



  •  08-15-2008, 4:29 PM 737452 in reply to 737440
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    Subject: Re: Rajput

    *brushes previous post under the rug*

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  •  08-15-2008, 4:30 PM 737453 in reply to 737440
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    Subject: Re: Rajput

    *brushes previous post under the rug*

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  •  08-15-2008, 4:33 PM 737455 in reply to 737437
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    Subject: Re: Rajput
    ~Matt~Kestrel~:

    Imo, Rajs either need to be completely reworked, kept exactly the same, or deleted. Atm, sepoys and zams are great against cav, and the sepoys can siege better than Rajs too. In fact, the only advanatge the Rajput has over the Sepoy is speed, which doesnt really matter to the typical Indian that much if he Agra pushes.

    Yes, but this discussion doesn't really talk about India's OPness. Rajputs are fine, theyre just a wierd unit, like the musk.



  •  08-15-2008, 4:44 PM 737464 in reply to 737455
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    Subject: Re: Rajput
    All Im saying is that, for w/e use a Raj has, another, most likely cheaper unit does it better for indians.



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  •  08-15-2008, 4:51 PM 737469 in reply to 737464
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    Subject: Re: Rajput

    ~Matt~Kestrel~:
    All Im saying is that, for w/e use a Raj has, another, most likely cheaper unit does it better for indians.

    Duh. Anything else to say that everyone knows? I did  post that.



  •  08-15-2008, 5:35 PM 737494 in reply to 737469
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    Subject: Re: Rajput
    Why use rajput when you got zamburak ?

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  •  08-15-2008, 5:39 PM 737498 in reply to 737469
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    Subject: Re: Rajput
    A414A | Incógnito :

    ~Matt~Kestrel~:
    All Im saying is that, for w/e use a Raj has, another, most likely cheaper unit does it better for indians.

    Duh. Anything else to say that everyone knows? I did  post that.

    i kinda posted it too. you never, or rarely, see a rajput on the battlefield!

    nerf sepoys siege attack a bit, boost rajputs siege attack a bit and reduce their cost..


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