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  •  10-07-2008, 6:09 PM 760799
    Nikita the Conqueror Nikita the Conqueror is not online. Last active: 10-22-2008, 2:42 PM
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    Subject: Ottomans and Russians

    People say the Russians are good at training miitary for fast attacks, I strongly agree. But what what about Ottomans? They are pretty much the same, for fast attacks.

    When I play with the Ottomans, what I do is start a the Discovery Age. You know why? Because other civs take time to develop, but with Ottomans villegers are free, just build 3 houses to support pop and a market. Focus on wood for the Discovery Age to build farms and houses. Send your explorer out to find the enemy and strategic camp sites, until you have enough to take down a town center and a small number of enemy units. All you need is food to advance to the next age, you don't need to spend it in the first age. Since Ottomans have early access to gun powder in the Colonial age, you can start building Jannisaries! Focus on gathering food, secondly coin and forget about wood, you can buy it at the market. Gather a bit more food than gold because jannisaries cost: 100 food & 25 gold. Then asseble at your camp. keep 5 or 10 jannisaries to guard your colony. Then strike! Take down the enemy units first surrounding the area, then the outposts then military buildings. That's because outposts have 30 damage & Town Center only 9. Then finish by taking down the town center!

    So an Ottoman and Russian match would be very good (as in a fight).

    Write what you think about this strategy, I want to here your reply's. Thanks! Smile


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  •  10-07-2008, 6:16 PM 760804 in reply to 760799
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    Subject: Re: Ottomans and Russians

    No

     

    put all vills on huntables, build a trade post with your explorer, and 1 house, all new vills to food, send 3 vills first, age with 400 wood poli, after that just split mostly food, some coin, and some wood (houses!). should arrive in colonial between 3:50 and 4:15 or so (less with treausres, you might age slower because you are new to game)

    should send 5 jans first, probably 3 hussar second.



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  •  10-07-2008, 6:17 PM 760805 in reply to 760799
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    Subject: Re: Ottomans and Russians

    so many things to say

    1) you always start in discovery

    2) only gather food in discovery till you age

    3) TC's get 9 attack per settler garrisoned to a max of 90, and if they sent that age 1 card, its 135

    4) most civs have access to age 2 musks

    5) dont build mills and such until needed

    6) dont buy resources at your markest

    7) dont just build jans, go jan/abus

    8) A russian would kill you with his cheap age 2 sirm units (strelets)

    9) as ottos, you should try to get some TP's

    10) Ill let Ivan continue this one...


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  •  10-07-2008, 6:17 PM 760806 in reply to 760799
    Derek_Zoolander Derek_Zoolander is not online. Last active: 11-22-2008, 3:32 PM
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    Subject: Re: Ottomans and Russians

    1) Never gather any resource besides food in discovery unless you're the Dutch or Indians - your goal is to get to colonial as fast as possible.

    2) Use starting wood for ottos to build a (If you're TAD:) Mosque, faster training vils, and a house, or (If you're vanilla:) build a house and a trading post.

    3) Don't EVER build farms in the discovery age - they gather at a rate MUCH slower then if you hunt. Not to mention, you forgo map control and cost yourself 400 wood.

    4) Town Center does 9 damage for each vil garrisoned inside - up to 90 damage (10 vils). Any vils inside the TC after that are waste.

    5) Russia would be killed by an Ottoman - generally, russians try to fight in colonial, while an ottoman player can easily fast fortress for spahi to dominate russia (russia has weak anti cav in colonial).


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  •  10-07-2008, 6:24 PM 760812 in reply to 760806
    Иван Грозный Иван Грозный is not online. Last active: 20-10-2008, 3:18 PM
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    Subject: Re: Ottomans and Russians

    I think that you should try on telling him more basic things, I mean, anyone who builds 3 houses in discovery age wouldnt know of most starts that you are telling him...

    So for hes level, a jannisar rush would actually be a great idea, if he tries to make obus it will be really hard to him and he will probably get a very weak army.


  •  10-07-2008, 6:30 PM 760820 in reply to 760806
    Nikita the Conqueror Nikita the Conqueror is not online. Last active: 10-22-2008, 2:42 PM
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    Subject: Re: Ottomans and Russians

    True, but I never build the mosque to speed up villager traing speed. So little effect.

    For farms, I have Advanced Farms card plus if you ally with the cree, farms will only cost 100 wood.

    If you have the Advanced outpost card and the TEAM Cheap trading post card plus cree discount = FREE trading post.


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  •  10-07-2008, 6:32 PM 760823 in reply to 760812
    Nikita the Conqueror Nikita the Conqueror is not online. Last active: 10-22-2008, 2:42 PM
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    Subject: Re: Ottomans and Russians
    Dood, I only build Abus guns in the industrail age and imperial, way to expensive plus they take 2 pop

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  •  10-07-2008, 6:33 PM 760824 in reply to 760820
    gooback gooback is not online. Last active: 10-19-2008, 8:55 PM
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    Subject: Re: Ottomans and Russians
    Nikita the Conqueror:

    True, but I never build the mosque to speed up villager traing speed. So little effect.

    For farms, I have Advanced Farms card plus if you ally with the cree, farms will only cost 100 wood.

    If you have the Advanced outpost card and the TEAM Cheap trading post card plus cree discount = FREE trading post.

    villes gather from farms or mills slower, so hunt as long as possible, and if you do jan spam, dont play a russian, as lower level russians strelet spam, so you WILL lose, even if they cant micro


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  •  10-07-2008, 6:57 PM 760831 in reply to 760820
    Иван Грозный Иван Грозный is not online. Last active: 20-10-2008, 3:18 PM
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    Subject: Re: Ottomans and Russians
    Nikita the Conqueror:

    True, but I never build the mosque to speed up villager traing speed. So little effect.

    For farms, I have Advanced Farms card plus if you ally with the cree, farms will only cost 100 wood.

    If you have the Advanced outpost card and the TEAM Cheap trading post card plus cree discount = FREE trading post.

    Ya but it can make up a great difference late game.

    As gooback said, still, it costs something and you gather way much more faster from hunts than from mills.

    And about the 3rd part, that would be good, but guess what, you are wasting 2 cards and an upgrade just to save 500 wood...

    When in colonial, there is 1 card that gives you 700 wood...

    And it makes up a giant difference if you build your trade post when the game starts than when you do after getting those techs.


  •  10-07-2008, 7:02 PM 760834 in reply to 760824
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    Subject: Re: Ottomans and Russians
    gotta have abus 5-10 at least with your colonial army, ottoman don't have any other counter infantry unit in second age, and your jannisarie spamming would be op'd by a strelet/skirm/bow spam, never make a one unit army, quickest way to a loss
  •  10-07-2008, 7:46 PM 760846 in reply to 760834
    Arcane Ranger Arcane Ranger is not online. Last active: 11-21-2008, 8:44 PM
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    Subject: Re: Ottomans and Russians
    5-10 abus isn't necessary in the initial rush. But if you manage to push and can get enough eco to support abus, then definitely get them. Abus defeat both HI and LI, along with LC and artillery. 3 hussars is a good card to send first contrary to the 5 jans against some civs such as russia, as it helps against any LI the enemy will be spamming to counter your jans.

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