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  •  10-11-2008, 8:21 AM 761617
    FrenchRuler FrenchRuler is not online. Last active: 10/11/2008, 8:54 AM
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    Subject: Anti-Otto Strategy - Works Every Time

    This strategy can be done with all civs who can build outposts (preferable to also have the 2 outpost wagon and extensive fortification cards). Start out by sending four villagers to gather food, one to gather wood, and the other one to build houses and/or a market. During the Discovery Age, put ALL food towards training villagers. By the time you can age up, you should have the following: 6 food gatherers, 4 coin and wood gatherers, about 4 or 5 house and a market depending on how much wood you started out with. Age up. Now is the most important part. Build a barracks at the frontier of your town, vertically aligned to the Town Center (train RANGED infantry while doing the next steps). Now, use the 2 outposts card an construct the outposts on either side of the barracks, and get a villager to build an outpost directly on the back of the barracks. Build a wall around the outposts and barracks with two gates on each side and leave room for infantry to move freely through to both gates. Garrison about 15-30 ranged infantry inside the walls. This should keep you safe from any cavalry, and the towers will hammer the jannisaries, compensating for week musketeers or skirms. Into the fortress age, build walls around your town entirely, and fortify the walls with outposts (upgrade the outposts). Train cannon and put them inside the walls of the barracks compound. Now, if possible, send your fort wagon and construct the fort directly behind the barracks compound. Now, if anybody stays long enough to destroy the walls, the fort and other outposts can cut them up. The key to this strategy is staying put. If you attack, your walls and barracks compound will be useless. Wait for an attack, and fortify, fortify, fortify while you wait. The otto's will eventually surrender if they can't breach the walls.

  •  10-11-2008, 8:34 AM 761618 in reply to 761617
    Redemption Redemption is not online. Last active: 10-20-2008, 5:46 AM
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    Subject: Re: Anti-Otto Strategy - Works Every Time

    You left out the part about how he can pull back and fishboom or fast fortress, defeating you in the process with no trouble at all.




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  •  10-11-2008, 9:30 AM 761631 in reply to 761618
    G&NGR3N3 G&NGR3N3 is not online. Last active: 01-11-2008, 3:23 PM
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    Subject: Re: Anti-Otto Strategy - Works Every Time
    Now that won't work, cause by the time (by the time you finish the steps required for D-age) you age to colonial, you'd be long dead.

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  •  10-11-2008, 9:48 AM 761638 in reply to 761631
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    Subject: Re: Anti-Otto Strategy - Works Every Time
    Please tell me what you would do if the otto cuts you off from resources and ages for mortars?

    Mantlets first are wood heavy units, and die fast from ranged inf..



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  •  10-11-2008, 9:58 AM 761640 in reply to 761631
    Redemption Redemption is not online. Last active: 10-20-2008, 5:46 AM
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    Subject: Re: Anti-Otto Strategy - Works Every Time

    G&NGR3N3:
    Now that won't work, cause by the time (by the time you finish the steps required for D-age) you age to colonial, you'd be long dead.

    Wow, I didn't even read that. As soon as I saw all the outposts I stopped reading and thought "Nope, won't work."




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  •  10-11-2008, 3:40 PM 761720 in reply to 761617
    justgotowned justgotowned is not online. Last active: 11-22-2008, 9:09 AM
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    Subject: Re: Anti-Otto Strategy - Works Every Time
    First off, like most people said, the ottos will rush way before you set this up.  Second off, a good otto rusher can have 30 jans in 7:30, which would take out all of your ranged inf. and then proceed to take out towers.  Or, since your neglect to wall your town until age III, they could just go around your barracks and force you to come out of the wall to protect your villies.  I have know idea why this works everytime, because this is one of the most terrible strategies i have ever seen.

  •  10-15-2008, 8:34 AM 763262 in reply to 761720
    Nikke Nikke is not online. Last active: 11-14-2008, 11:15 AM
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    Subject: Re: Anti-Otto Strategy - Works Every Time

    justgotowned:
    First off, like most people said, the ottos will rush way before you set this up.  Second off, a good otto rusher can have 30 jans in 7:30, which would take out all of your ranged inf. and then proceed to take out towers.  Or, since your neglect to wall your town until age III, they could just go around your barracks and force you to come out of the wall to protect your villies.  I have know idea why this works everytime, because this is one of the most terrible strategies i have ever seen.
    +1

    ranged infantry + micro is ur best bet. Its also a good idea to ship cavalry for abus


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  •  10-17-2008, 4:31 PM 763826 in reply to 761720
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    Subject: Re: Anti-Otto Strategy - Works Every Time

    Just correcting you dont mean to offend you or anything. I am a noob ottomen rusher and i can get 25jansaries in 6:30min or less. And are you sure you tested this against decent players, lets say like serge+?....Or maybe even 2nd lt+?...

  •  10-17-2008, 4:53 PM 763838 in reply to 763826
    Arcane Ranger Arcane Ranger is not online. Last active: 11-21-2008, 8:44 PM
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    Subject: Re: Anti-Otto Strategy - Works Every Time
    Yeah, if you IOR, you can get a decent amount of jans with a constant stream coming by 4:30 or so.

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  •  10-17-2008, 4:58 PM 763841 in reply to 763826
    deadhanddan deadhanddan is not online. Last active: 11-21-2008, 7:18 PM
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    Subject: Re: Anti-Otto Strategy - Works Every Time
    i myself have a good bit of trouble dealing with the jan  rush, even tho i know it will happen, it is still hard to cope with early game, since most civs dont have skirms till 3rd, i have tried most civs vs the jan rush and the only civs that i have managed to actually hold my own with are india and german, but the trouble i have with india is if the ottoman mixes in abus and tries for 3rd, and with germany i have to make at least 3 xbows to every 1 of the jans, i only have some luck vs otto's with these civs for the fact they have cav shipments with which i can raid with but a decent player will just send 2 tower card or wall thier gold pits early on, i like how this guy shared a tactic with us to deal with the jan rush, even if it is way flawed, so if anyone has any ideas on how we all can cope a bit better with the noobish jan rush plz share
  •  10-17-2008, 5:05 PM 763844 in reply to 763262
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    Subject: Re: Anti-Otto Strategy - Works Every Time
    Nikke:

    justgotowned:
    First off, like most people said, the ottos will rush way before you set this up.  Second off, a good otto rusher can have 30 jans in 7:30, which would take out all of your ranged inf. and then proceed to take out towers.  Or, since your neglect to wall your town until age III, they could just go around your barracks and force you to come out of the wall to protect your villies.  I have know idea why this works everytime, because this is one of the most terrible strategies i have ever seen.
    +1

    ranged infantry + micro is ur best bet. Its also a good idea to ship cavalry for abus

    im gonna question that + 1 there, because everyone knows a good ottoman player wont go straight jan, hell go jan abus or FF, and he can probably hit fortress before this guy hits colonial, as sad as that is


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  •  10-17-2008, 5:06 PM 763845 in reply to 763841
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