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As I can no longer contribute constructivly to on topic threads (My wireless internet network was "upgraded", meaning it's worse so I can't play games online anymore), I think you're going to see a massive increase in my posts to off topic sections

Anyway, in my "fusion power" thread there was a little sub-discussion about aliens; that they must be real and if they must be why haven't we seen any signs of their existence?

This is known as the Fermi paradox apprently, officially worded as (Courtesy of wikipedia)

The apparent size and age of the universe suggest that many technologically advanced extraterrestrial civilizations ought to exist.

However, this hypothesis seems inconsistent with the lack of observational evidence to support it.

There are a number of theoretical resolutions to this paradox:

It's possible, although very unlikely, that we are alone in the universe. Perhaps no other intelligent, or otherwise, life forms have evolved anywhere else in the universe. Maybe they have, but maybe they don't have convinient fuel sources like fossil fuels or whatever to get technilogically developed, there might even be other advantages to life on earth we haven't even realised. We have a whole mass of other planets that get in the way of comets and meteors that would otherwise hit earth.

Perhaps intelligent life always eventaully destroys itself, through nuclear war, or some other man-made (or alien-made :P) catastrophe (ahem-global-warming-cough). Advanced civilisations may also target weaker civilisations to prevent competition. They may even do it for their resources or even because of their religion (none of that is very far fetched; look at Europe during the age of discovery, they did it for both of these reasons).

Maybe they do exist and are developed, but use some other form of communication apart from radio waves. It's even possible that they are so radically different from humans we could never interact (Yes, I'm thinking non-corporeal and stuff we can't even imagine). I mean, we think that mathematics and physics are the same no matter where you are, but we have no empirical evidence of that even if it does seem impossible that they can be different.

Another idea is that perhaps there a many different alien civilisations, but they are using earth as a "zoo" to study life and do not wish to interfere with us, and thus do not send any kinds of radio signals. Maybe evolving civilisations have to fulfill certain criteria such as ending war/poverty, developing faster-than-light travel, or generally improving the quality of life of our whole species, before they are allowed to interact with other advanced civilisations.

Maybe, just maybe, God chose to create humans alone. What do you think? I just read a whole bunch of wikipedia articles about aliens.

As an aside, general relativity seems to imply that faster than light travel isn't possible, but perhaps the theory is not entireley accurate. After all, Newtonian physics are extremely accurate there are just some obscure things they don't account for, and that's why they were prooved not to be 100% accurate. The only way to empirically test this is to build something that can travel faster than light (It's still possible to build something that can theoretically go that speed even if the laws of physics actually prevent it from ever maxing out)

 They exist

Pleiadians and Andromedians travel way more faster than light speed in hyper-space

Pleiadians come to study us, greys are here to experiment with us 

For more information read here:  http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/

And here is Asket:

 

 

if we can exist so can they the universe is so fukin big no 1 has ever set foot out in all corners so no 1 can say they dont exist

I don't believe in the existence of alien life forms, but that's because of a lack of empirical and historic evidence.

 Yeah, there are alleged photos of of their existence, as well as eyewitness accounts, but they've never been proven to exist. History doesn't seem to completely cater to their existence either.

Melinamaniac:

I don't believe in the existence of alien life forms, but that's because of a lack of empirical and historic evidence.

The aliens could be just trillions of light years away from us...

Even if they could travel at the speed of light, there its a possibility of almost 0 that they could find us, also, a lot of theories are re considering the alien life form, like, those aztecs that couldn't figure out to invent a wheel, but could build up those amazing pyramids and a city in a lake...

Or those egypthian myths, of "gods" living with them, and a pharaoh that could kill an army of thousands of people in seconds, later hes name was used as "immortality", the Incan "golden birds", etc...

I dont think that every reason of the previous examples were aliens (dunno, probably time travels, amazing resources that have already disappeared and there are no facts that can prove em, a super advanced civilization that died from a major distater, etc...), but, IMO, its impossible that the universe, being probably the most enourmous thing ever, that we cant even imagine how big it is, haven't got life forms of more than 1 cell in any other planet apart from this one.

Ivan's post reminds me of something EXTREMELY important.

High in the Andes a tribe called the Nazca created hundreds of pictures in the middle of the desert that are so huge they can only be viewed from the air. How did they get them so perfect? They couldn't fly. Here is one image of a dog.

Even more frightening is that one of these drawings is of what appears to be a spaceman. It is humanoid in appearance, wearing what looks like some kind of gas mask. It can be viewed here.

I mean, one could easily say that perhaps they were organised enough to realise whn the pictures would look right, but a picture of a spaceman? How can you say there is no empirical evidence?

It's *possible*, but I still don't buy it.

Its very possible, the probabilities that there is no other life forms apart from the ones of this planet are practically 0...

Actually, there actually are life forms in other planets, most of the planets in this universer, got microorganisms, that a scientific fact, but nvm, I guess that we are talking about life forms of more than 1 cell...

 

Yeah, I don't doubt life forms on more than one planet, but as to complex, civilized organisms that come into contact with us? That's what I don't buy.

oh, lol, I dont believe in that either, I just thought that you said that you didnt believed in aliens, not in aliens contacting us.

Sirians: 17 light years away

Pleiadians: 420 light years away

Ummits: 15 light years away

Zeta Reticulans:39 light years away 

Tau Cetians: 5 light years away

Lyrans: 167milion light years away

In all universes, dimensions, frequences, existences etc. are 400000 alien races