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Last post 08-25-2009, 7:24 AM by prashady. 35 replies.
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Subject:
Treaty civ MUs
because we have nothing better to discuss: Treaty civilization match-ups. I want opinions here, leaving off france/japan/russia. Assume andes in all matchups so that some civs are playable. For the sioux, assume a team game where they have walls and mortars from time to time.
I'll do a few: India vs British...India India vs Spain...India India vs Portugal...Portugal India vs Dutch...Dutch (not positive) India vs Germany...India India vs Ottomans...India India vs China...China India vs Iroquois...Iroquois (not positive) India vs Aztec...India India vs Sioux...Sioux Ottomans vs British...British Ottomans vs Spain...Spain Ottomans vs Portugal... Ottomans if they have natives, otherwise Portugal imo. Ottomans vs Dutch...Ottomans Ottomans vs Germany...Germany imo, but some say Ottomans. Ottomans vs India...India Ottomans vs China...Ottomans Ottomans vs Iroquois...Ottomans (not positive) Ottomans vs Aztecs... Ottomans Ottomans vs Sioux...Ottomans
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Aloysius: I don't even know what's going on.
I vote for SunilD93 as mod of agecomm.
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Subject:
Re: Treaty civ MUs
Cool thread. I'll do Portugal. Ports v. British.......Ports. Ports v. Spain......with andes train times I'm tempted to say portugal, but I might have to give spain a bit of an edge in this MU. Ports v. Ottomans......Ottomans. Incan train times help out the jans a bit too much for portugal to overcome without complete native control. And Jan-Abus is a killer for ports. Ports v. Dutch.....Ports Ports v. Germany......Ports Ports v. India......Ports Ports v.China......China Ports v. Iroquois....Iros. Iros own all on andes. Ports v. Aztecs.....Ports in a 1v1. Ports v. Sioux....Sioux with the conditions stated in Hidan's first post. Just throwin this out there: Ports v. France.......push.
Ditissparta is the best player ever.
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Subject:
Re: Treaty civ MUs
im no expert so if s higher ranked player corrects my match ups ill edit the post. Aztecs Aztecs v Brits - Aztecs (if brits can hold out they'll win w/ eco but Aztec military should win)
Aztecs v Spain - Spain (unction makes Aztecs stay on war dance so slow train times...)
Aztecs v Ottomans - i think Ottos but not sure
Aztecs v Dutch - Aztecs (dutch eco can take the push of fighting Aztec mili)
Aztecs v Germany - Germany Aztecs v Ports - Ports (Aztecs just cant beat the organ+cassador+guerrio)
Aztecs v India - Aztecs (India train times below average and aztecs own elephants)
Aztecs v China - China (i think) Aztecs v Iros - Iros (this one could swing depending on circumstance)
Aztecs v Sioux - Sioux, but only if they have team and mortars again these are open for debate/correction
aloysius-im banned until 2162 again. it says its for "attacking other forum members". i havent attacked any other forum members seriously. i have attacked members IDEAS, not members themselves. also since when does this get you perm banned? please respond
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Subject:
Re: Treaty civ MUs
 Hidan:I would say aztecs lose every mu except maybe germany and china but that's just me :P. In fact, china would win too. Also, ports>sioux.
ive played in rush vs brits and alittle in treaty in aztecs and with arrows and a mace/jag combo u should pwn. once again- it depends on how long the eco holds up
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Subject:
Re: Treaty civ MUs
Its the extra pop for cannon that would hurt azzies more than anything with dutch.
Against india, don't forget aztec train times are pretty crap to besides mace's and pumas which don't really get you that far... mahouts wouldn't be much use but the sepoy/gurkha with a few siege ele would beat azzies anyway.
I'll do sioux
Vs Aztec: Aztec
Vs Brit: Sioux
Vs China : Sioux (no decent Anti-Cav)
Dutch: Dutch (Awsome anti-cav and art should take care of teepees)
Germans: Germans (Dops & Ulahans > cav+skirm)
India: Sioux (india slow train times + sioux FB)
iro: prob sioux hard MU - it would depend on how long sioux could hold iro off and ofc wood is a big factor here
otto: sioux
ports: ports
spain: hard MU, teepee vs unction, i'd prob go wth spain here
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Subject:
Re: Treaty civ MUs
That's your Sioux lol?
Sioux owns Germans really hard.
They pretty much own everything too that Aztec can throw at them. Arrow Knights could be a bit of a pain, but nothing too serious. They also win vs Dutch, since Dutch their strength lies within Artillery, which a stealth WC can take down in 5 seconds.
So it's:
Sioux vs Aztec: Sioux
Sioux vs Brits: Sioux
Sioux vs China: Sioux
Sioux vs Dutch: Sioux
Sioux vs German: Sioux
Sioux vs India: Hopping India would win. Sioux if straight up.
Sioux vs Iro: I'd say Iro. Their push is just too hard.
Sioux vs Otto: Hopping Otto would win. Sioux if straight up.
Sioux vs Ports: Ports
Sioux vs Spain: Spain if he can protect his cannons well and wall alot. Otherwise Sioux.
Rule on Capitalism, who wants to share with the poor guys?
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Subject:
Re: Treaty civ MUs
Every Sioux match up is determined by skill more so than civ, Sioux can fight and trash almost every civilisation if they play wrong against them, if enemy play right I think the only match-ups which are near sure-fire wins are Aztec and India because their siege unit range isn't long enough to be as easily guarded. From there it comes down to individual skill. Iro can be a pain but they need to stop WC or they can't sustain their artillery with Iro and will burn out on wood while WC just murders their cannon mass. British can easily win it, Longbow Goon Art with walls, Sioux has pretty much nothing for the range of Longbow besides getting in melee with Axe rider. China has Team fast art and tons of eco, hand mortars are cheap as heck and replace in 19 seconds, with 34 range, CKN can do well against Wakina/RR if you wall up and keep teepee down. China handles Sioux pretty well IMO, when played right. Dutch have to play the match up perfectly, with extreme caution, their economy is extremely fragile, so they have to wall up constantly in order to win this, go extremely slow and guard their cannons and mortars by keeping Envoy around the battlefield so WC can't stealth. German can do War Wagon Skirm with Art and walls, not ideal but the match-up can work. Again largely determined by skill. India has no real chance here, no long range siege ends this match-up, WC like 2 or 3 hits Siege Ele, RR beat them nicely too, as do Wakina, the rest of their units are worthless against Sioux. Ottoman can do Abus, Cav Archer and Art with walls, another "not ideal but it works", fast art gives Ottoman a slight advantage in this match-up though. Ports can just do cass goon art + walls and win this so easily with 50 range mortars it's retarded. Spain can do skirm goon art + walls and win this, if most teepee are down fast sweeps of Lancer onto Wakina will be devastating and costly for Sioux.
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