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  •  08-20-2009, 5:17 PM 836178
    Hidan Hidan is not online. Last active: 08-17-2013, 12:30 AM
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    Subject: Treaty civ MUs

    because we have nothing better to discuss: Treaty civilization match-ups.  I want opinions here, leaving off france/japan/russia.  Assume andes in all matchups so that some civs are playable.  For the sioux, assume a team game where they have walls and mortars from time to time.

    I'll do a few:

    India vs British...India

    India vs Spain...India

    India vs Portugal...Portugal

    India vs Dutch...Dutch (not positive)

    India vs Germany...India

    India vs Ottomans...India

    India vs China...China

    India vs Iroquois...Iroquois (not positive)

    India vs Aztec...India

    India vs Sioux...Sioux

     

    Ottomans vs British...British

    Ottomans vs Spain...Spain

    Ottomans vs Portugal... Ottomans if they have natives, otherwise Portugal imo.

    Ottomans vs Dutch...Ottomans

    Ottomans vs Germany...Germany imo, but some say Ottomans.

    Ottomans vs India...India

    Ottomans vs China...Ottomans

    Ottomans vs Iroquois...Ottomans (not positive)

    Ottomans vs Aztecs... Ottomans

    Ottomans vs Sioux...Ottomans


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  •  08-20-2009, 6:50 PM 836190 in reply to 836178
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    Subject: Re: Treaty civ MUs

    Cool thread.  I'll do Portugal.

     

     Ports v. British.......Ports.

     

     Ports v. Spain......with andes train times I'm tempted to say portugal, but I might have to give spain a bit of an edge in this MU.

     

     Ports v. Ottomans......Ottomans.  Incan train times help out the jans a bit too much for portugal to overcome without complete native control.  And Jan-Abus is a killer for ports.

     

     Ports v. Dutch.....Ports

     

     Ports v. Germany......Ports

     

     Ports v. India......Ports

     

     Ports v.China......China

     

     Ports v. Iroquois....Iros.  Iros own all on andes.

     

     Ports v. Aztecs.....Ports in a 1v1.

     

     Ports v. Sioux....Sioux with the conditions stated in Hidan's first post.

     

    Just throwin this out there:  Ports v. France.......push.


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  •  08-20-2009, 7:17 PM 836196 in reply to 836190
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    Subject: Re: Treaty civ MUs

    im no expert so if s higher ranked player corrects my match ups ill edit the post.

    Aztecs

    Aztecs v Brits - Aztecs (if brits can hold out they'll win w/ eco but Aztec military should win)

    Aztecs v Spain - Spain (unction makes Aztecs stay on war dance so slow train times...)

    Aztecs v Ottomans - i think Ottos but not sure

    Aztecs v Dutch - Aztecs (dutch eco can take the push of fighting Aztec mili)

    Aztecs v Germany - Germany

    Aztecs v  Ports - Ports (Aztecs just cant beat the organ+cassador+guerrio)

    Aztecs v India - Aztecs (India train times below average and aztecs own elephants)

    Aztecs v China - China (i think)

    Aztecs v  Iros - Iros (this one could swing depending on circumstance)

    Aztecs v Sioux - Sioux, but only if they have team and mortars 

    again these are open for debate/correction

     


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  •  08-20-2009, 7:58 PM 836206 in reply to 836196
    Hidan Hidan is not online. Last active: 08-17-2013, 12:30 AM
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    Subject: Re: Treaty civ MUs
    I would say aztecs lose every mu except maybe germany and china but that's just me :P.  In fact, china would win too.  Also, ports>sioux.

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  •  08-20-2009, 8:55 PM 836214 in reply to 836206
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    Subject: Re: Treaty civ MUs
    why wouldnt aztecs beat india and dutch? and why would they beat germany?

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  •  08-20-2009, 9:08 PM 836221 in reply to 836206
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    Subject: Re: Treaty civ MUs

    Hidan:
    I would say aztecs lose every mu except maybe germany and china but that's just me :P.  In fact, china would win too.  Also, ports>sioux.

    ive played in rush vs brits and alittle in treaty in aztecs and with arrows and a mace/jag combo u should pwn.

    once again- it depends on how long the eco holds up

  •  08-20-2009, 10:20 PM 836228 in reply to 836221
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    Subject: Re: Treaty civ MUs

    India's sepoy/gurkha/mahouts would decimate anything the aztecs could make.  Throw tigers and a siege ele in there and it's gg.  Possibly some flanking flail eles.  Dutch simply have too many units for the aztecs.  Their skirms also rip through erks.  Brits have lbow/redcoat, which should devastate the aztecs.  Even if it doesn't, their eco will still be that much higher than the aztecs'


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  •  08-21-2009, 12:57 AM 836238 in reply to 836228
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    Subject: Re: Treaty civ MUs
    Austro-Hungary v everything = Austro-Hungary
  •  08-21-2009, 6:52 AM 836267 in reply to 836228
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    Subject: Re: Treaty civ MUs
    Its the extra pop for cannon that would hurt azzies more than anything with dutch.

    Against india, don't forget aztec train times are pretty crap to besides mace's and pumas which don't really get you that far... mahouts wouldn't be much use but the sepoy/gurkha with a few siege ele would beat azzies anyway.

    I'll do sioux

     

    Vs Aztec:  Aztec

    Vs Brit: Sioux

    Vs China : Sioux (no decent Anti-Cav)

    Dutch: Dutch (Awsome anti-cav and art should take care of teepees)

    Germans: Germans (Dops & Ulahans > cav+skirm)

    India: Sioux (india slow train times + sioux FB)

    iro: prob sioux hard MU - it would depend on how long sioux could hold iro off and ofc wood is a big factor here

    otto: sioux

    ports: ports

    spain: hard MU, teepee vs unction, i'd prob go wth spain here
     
  •  08-21-2009, 7:33 AM 836270 in reply to 836267
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    Subject: Re: Treaty civ MUs

    That's your Sioux lol?

    Sioux owns Germans really hard.

    They pretty much own everything too that Aztec can throw at them. Arrow Knights could be a bit of a pain, but nothing too serious.

    They also win vs Dutch, since Dutch their strength lies within Artillery, which a stealth WC can take down in 5 seconds.

    So it's:

    Sioux vs Aztec: Sioux
    Sioux vs Brits: Sioux
    Sioux vs China: Sioux
    Sioux vs Dutch: Sioux
    Sioux vs German: Sioux
    Sioux vs India: Hopping India would win. Sioux if straight up.
    Sioux vs Iro: I'd say Iro. Their push is just too hard.
    Sioux vs Otto: Hopping Otto would win. Sioux if straight up.
    Sioux vs Ports: Ports
    Sioux vs Spain: Spain if he can protect his cannons well and wall alot. Otherwise Sioux.


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  •  08-21-2009, 8:14 AM 836272 in reply to 836270
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    Subject: Re: Treaty civ MUs

    Every Sioux match up is determined by skill more so than civ, Sioux can fight and trash almost every civilisation if they play wrong against them, if enemy play right I think the only match-ups which are near sure-fire wins are Aztec and India because their siege unit range isn't long enough to be as easily guarded.

    From there it comes down to individual skill.

    Iro can be a pain but they need to stop WC or they can't sustain their artillery with Iro and will burn out on wood while WC just murders their cannon mass.

    British can easily win it, Longbow Goon Art with walls, Sioux has pretty much nothing for the range of Longbow besides getting in melee with Axe rider.

    China has Team fast art and tons of eco, hand mortars are cheap as heck and replace in 19 seconds, with 34 range, CKN can do well against Wakina/RR if you wall up and keep teepee down. China handles Sioux pretty well IMO, when played right.

    Dutch have to play the match up perfectly, with extreme caution, their economy is extremely fragile, so they have to wall up constantly in order to win this, go extremely slow and guard their cannons and mortars by keeping Envoy around the battlefield so WC can't stealth.

    German can do War Wagon Skirm with Art and walls, not ideal but the match-up can work. Again largely determined by skill.

    India has no real chance here, no long range siege ends this match-up, WC like 2 or 3 hits Siege Ele, RR beat them nicely too, as do Wakina, the rest of their units are worthless against Sioux.

    Ottoman can do Abus, Cav Archer and Art with walls, another "not ideal but it works", fast art gives Ottoman a slight advantage in this match-up though.

    Ports can just do cass goon art + walls and win this so easily with 50 range mortars it's retarded.

    Spain can do skirm goon art + walls and win this, if most teepee are down fast sweeps of Lancer onto Wakina will be devastating and costly for Sioux.

  •  08-21-2009, 11:02 AM 836294 in reply to 836272
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    Subject: Re: Treaty civ MUs

    Lol what? First few posts are so wrong its crazy =\

     


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  •  08-21-2009, 12:38 PM 836306 in reply to 836228
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    Subject: Re: Treaty civ MUs
    Hidan:

    India's sepoy/gurkha/mahouts would decimate anything the aztecs could make.  Throw tigers and a siege ele in there and it's gg.  Possibly some flanking flail eles.  Dutch simply have too many units for the aztecs.  Their skirms also rip through erks.  Brits have lbow/redcoat, which should devastate the aztecs.  Even if it doesn't, their eco will still be that much higher than the aztecs'

    thanks for explaining 


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  •  08-21-2009, 12:42 PM 836307 in reply to 836306
    Hidan Hidan is not online. Last active: 08-17-2013, 12:30 AM
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    Subject: Re: Treaty civ MUs
    James:
    Hidan:

    India's sepoy/gurkha/mahouts would decimate anything the aztecs could make.  Throw tigers and a siege ele in there and it's gg.  Possibly some flanking flail eles.  Dutch simply have too many units for the aztecs.  Their skirms also rip through erks.  Brits have lbow/redcoat, which should devastate the aztecs.  Even if it doesn't, their eco will still be that much higher than the aztecs'

    thanks for explaining 


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  •  08-21-2009, 5:50 PM 836427 in reply to 836307
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    Subject: Re: Treaty civ MUs
    Guess I don't have enough experience playing against a  sioux player in a team game with ports.  I'll definitely take Hidan's and predator's word for it.

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