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Hey guys,

I just wanted a bit of help/ advice on taking on dutch. I play only on TWC cause my favourite civilization is Sioux and I am yet to purchase TAD. Plan to do so in a few weeks.

Anywho back to the point. I find it easy to beat dutch players at about i guess 2nd liut and down the ranks, but anything above that i lose every single time. lets just say the map is great plains.

first of all any unit combo i use against dutch seems to get destroyed. as shown here:

• if i go infantry (cetan/club) skirms hit and run me immensely.
• BR (bowrider) seems useless against tc fire and any outposts.
• Pure axe gets owned by that 8 pike card. and a combo of both Br and axe seems to be useless cause they turtle in close to their base not letting me pic off with hit and run

 

so i usually turn to cetan/axe rider but i have a feeling not best option. please any help will be appreicated :)

Also I seem to be very skilled at raiding against dutch and often kill about 5-7 villagers with virtually no loses to cavalry, and also no loses to my villager economy which i constantly keep qued up. I was wondering considering i can raid this amount of villagers, is it viable at this stage to out boom the dutch to fortress (hopefully they think i'm going for hard rush), get 20 wakina and end this hit and run crap by doing it to their pikes :D

I want to beat dutch with sioux and don't rely want to take 'pick a different civ' as an answer to this complication :P

thanks guys :D

 

Stephennn

i don't know if this would work but you could FF for RR because they have very good attack, you will need Clubs for siege but tbh this is a hard match up anyways IMO, cause sioux donh vae good skirm/pike counters. RR on pike and AR on skirms, clubs on siege.

Why don't you try a combo of Rifle Riders & Axe Riders. Just harass you enemies till Age II. When you reach Age III create Rifle Riders with Axe Riders and then attack. To destroy buildings u can use fire dance.

Stephennn:

Hey guys,

I just wanted a bit of help/ advice on taking on dutch. I play only on TWC cause my favourite civilization is Sioux and I am yet to purchase TAD. Plan to do so in a few weeks.

Anywho back to the point. I find it easy to beat dutch players at about i guess 2nd liut and down the ranks, but anything above that i lose every single time. lets just say the map is great plains.

first of all any unit combo i use against dutch seems to get destroyed. as shown here:

• if i go infantry (cetan/club) skirms hit and run me immensely.
• BR (bowrider) seems useless against tc fire and any outposts.
• Pure axe gets owned by that 8 pike card. and a combo of both Br and axe seems to be useless cause they turtle in close to their base not letting me pic off with hit and run

 

so i usually turn to cetan/axe rider but i have a feeling not best option. please any help will be appreicated :)

Also I seem to be very skilled at raiding against dutch and often kill about 5-7 villagers with virtually no loses to cavalry, and also no loses to my villager economy which i constantly keep qued up. I was wondering considering i can raid this amount of villagers, is it viable at this stage to out boom the dutch to fortress (hopefully they think i'm going for hard rush), get 20 wakina and end this hit and run crap by doing it to their pikes :D

I want to beat dutch with sioux and don't rely want to take 'pick a different civ' as an answer to this complication :P

thanks guys :D

 

Stephennn

Common keep going  Party Rock Crew don't stop there :P

However i assume everyone will soon be against you on these forums, especially EtherImp for defiling his domain. His domain, his lands, his kingdom of ESO forums in which he tries to maintain his reign in a swarm of those he proclaims to be noobs. like myself :P

1st post       WOOOOTT!!!!

bring your party rock crew with me dawggggg :P

Stephennn :)

 

WOOO YEAHHH PARTY TIMMEEE I LOVE DERAILING THREADS THIS IS AWESOME!!! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

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EtherImp:

Stephennn:

Hey guys,

I just wanted a bit of help/ advice on taking on dutch. I play only on TWC cause my favourite civilization is Sioux and I am yet to purchase TAD. Plan to do so in a few weeks.

Anywho back to the point. I find it easy to beat dutch players at about i guess 2nd liut and down the ranks, but anything above that i lose every single time. lets just say the map is great plains.

first of all any unit combo i use against dutch seems to get destroyed. as shown here:

• if i go infantry (cetan/club) skirms hit and run me immensely.
• BR (bowrider) seems useless against tc fire and any outposts.
• Pure axe gets owned by that 8 pike card. and a combo of both Br and axe seems to be useless cause they turtle in close to their base not letting me pic off with hit and run

 

so i usually turn to cetan/axe rider but i have a feeling not best option. please any help will be appreicated :)

Also I seem to be very skilled at raiding against dutch and often kill about 5-7 villagers with virtually no loses to cavalry, and also no loses to my villager economy which i constantly keep qued up. I was wondering considering i can raid this amount of villagers, is it viable at this stage to out boom the dutch to fortress (hopefully they think i'm going for hard rush), get 20 wakina and end this hit and run crap by doing it to their pikes :D

I want to beat dutch with sioux and don't rely want to take 'pick a different civ' as an answer to this complication :P

thanks guys :D

 

Stephennn

Common keep going  Party Rock Crew don't stop there :P

However i assume everyone will soon be against you on these forums, especially EtherImp for defiling his domain. His domain, his lands, his kingdom of ESO forums in which he tries to maintain his reign in a swarm of those he proclaims to be noobs. like myself :P

1st post       WOOOOTT!!!!

bring your party rock crew with me dawggggg :P

Stephennn :)

 

WOOO YEAHHH PARTY TIMMEEE I LOVE DERAILING THREADS THIS IS AWESOME!!! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

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lmao ill take that in good humour :)

ive been reading these forums for the past month and i was convinced EtherImp that you were some uptight person who taught he was king. undoubtly there is a lot of sarcasm in that but mehh you got to laugh :D

@ guys who on topic

do you reckon getting 10 rifle riders (probs 5 purchased from stables and 5 from card) will let will be enough along with the axe and clubs.

or would it better to get a crap load of axe rider and go with that evening star card? and im assuming ill micro the RR on pikes and axe rider on skirms yea. thanks for the help dudes :)

Stephennn

 

 

Stephennn:

lmao ill take that in good humour :)

ive been reading these forums for the past month and i was convinced EtherImp that you were some uptight person who taught he was king. undoubtly there is a lot of sarcasm in that but mehh you got to laugh :D

I'm not uptight. I enjoy AOE. I enjoy talking about AOE on the AOE forums. Kids who have nothing better to than sit around on the forums derailing threads, flaming moderators, and having off-topic discussions on an AOE message board tend to irritate me. I'd much rather have some conversation about unit statistics, strategies, or the like.

I have no idea where you got the impression that I "thought I was king". And, just for the record, as your "coming out post" it's not a good idea to start flaming a guy who's been playing the game for 4 years and has over 1500 posts on these forums. For one, it's not like you're going to win. Secondly, I've been around much longer than you and will be  around long after you're gone. I also do this little known thing to these forums these days called "contributing".

But.. Why should I contribute? Why should I add strategies? Why should I reply to threads answering newbies questions? Why should I try to do anything constructive when most of the people on these forums have no appreciation or respect for what anyone else has to say? Why try to help people who use this forum like they would Skype or AOL?

You've got it wrong man. I don't think I'm king. Nor do I think I'm the best player on these boards. What I do think is that people should start having a little bit of respect and start discussing the game. If wanting people to use these forums like they were intended to be used makes me uptight, well, I guess that's your perogative to think that. But I'd rather reflect on the several dozen people who have private messaged me over the years thanking me for my contribution to these boards.

GS is another one who contributes (along with a few others). So, hats off to them.

 

By the way.. How does it feel to have your thread de-railed?

Personally, my favorite alcohol is Vodka, and Killians Irish Red for beer.. I also like Marlboro red cigarettes and I absolutely love sushi. I prefer brunettes over blondes and personally I'm an ass/leg man. I really don't care for big boobs.. C's are perfectly awesome as far as I'm concerned.

 What do you guys think?

Oh.. Yeah.. I forgot, most of you are 13, have never touched a girl, are too young to drink or smoke, and don't really have a choice in where your parents take you to eat.

Schucks.

EtherImp:

Stephennn:

lmao ill take that in good humour :)

ive been reading these forums for the past month and i was convinced EtherImp that you were some uptight person who taught he was king. undoubtly there is a lot of sarcasm in that but mehh you got to laugh :D

I'm not uptight. I enjoy AOE. I enjoy talking about AOE on the AOE forums. Kids who have nothing better to than sit around on the forums derailing threads, flaming moderators, and having off-topic discussions on an AOE message board tend to irritate me. I'd much rather have some conversation about unit statistics, strategies, or the like.

I have no idea where you got the impression that I "thought I was king". And, just for the record, as your "coming out post" it's not a good idea to start flaming a guy who's been playing the game for 4 years and has over 1500 posts on these forums. For one, it's not like you're going to win. Secondly, I've been around much longer than you and will be  around long after you're gone. I also do this little known thing to these forums these days called "contributing".

But.. Why should I contribute? Why should I add strategies? Why should I reply to threads answering newbies questions? Why should I try to do anything constructive when most of the people on these forums have no appreciation or respect for what anyone else has to say? Why try to help people who use this forum like they would Skype or AOL?

You've got it wrong man. I don't think I'm king. Nor do I think I'm the best player on these boards. What I do think is that people should start having a little bit of respect and start discussing the game. If wanting people to use these forums like they were intended to be used makes me uptight, well, I guess that's your perogative to think that. But I'd rather reflect on the several dozen people who have private messaged me over the years thanking me for my contribution to these boards.

GS is another one who contributes (along with a few others). So, hats off to them.

 

By the way.. How does it feel to have your thread de-railed?

Personally, my favorite alcohol is Vodka, and Killians Irish Red for beer.. I also like Marlboro red cigarettes and I absolutely love sushi. I prefer brunettes over blondes and personally I'm an ass/leg man. I really don't care for big boobs.. C's are perfectly awesome as far as I'm concerned.

 What do you guys think?

Oh.. Yeah.. I forgot, most of you are 13, have never touched a girl, are too young to drink or smoke, and don't really have a choice in where your parents take you to eat.

Schucks.

 :)

you have earned my respect now, and its good to finally see a sense of humour out of you, i like a good laugh :D

but undoubtedly i will have to try earn mine now. don't worry i ain't a troll :P

As for GS though from what i have he seems to be the most helpful dude on these forums so his auto got my respectaaa :D

Stephennn

Stephennn:

 

do you reckon getting 10 rifle riders (probs 5 purchased from stables and 5 from card) will let will be enough along with the axe and clubs.

or would it better to get a crap load of axe rider and go with that evening star card? and im assuming ill micro the RR on pikes and axe rider on skirms yea. thanks for the help dudes :) 

I think going to Age III and then training/shipping Rifle Riders would be better. For Sioux if you really want to wipe your enemy you have to age up to get Fire Dance so that u can raise buildings. Before that just raid enemy vills and come back if enemy brings pikes. Rifle Riders are excellent units. They can easily defeat everything except skirmishers  

Babri:

Stephennn:

 

do you reckon getting 10 rifle riders (probs 5 purchased from stables and 5 from card) will let will be enough along with the axe and clubs.

or would it better to get a crap load of axe rider and go with that evening star card? and im assuming ill micro the RR on pikes and axe rider on skirms yea. thanks for the help dudes :) 

I think going to Age III and then training/shipping Rifle Riders would be better. For Sioux if you really want to wipe your enemy you have to age up to get Fire Dance so that u can raise buildings. Before that just raid enemy vills and come back if enemy brings pikes. Rifle Riders are excellent units. They can easily defeat everything except skirmishers  

awesome thanks babri. ill definitely give this idea a whirl in the future.

much appreciated dude. thanks :D

Stephennn

train a bunch of axe riders and get some clubs and send the card that turns the axe riders into rifle riders i dont play as souix but this could work i pretty sure does any1 else think it could work

AWSOMN:

train a bunch of axe riders and get some clubs and send the card that turns the axe riders into rifle riders i dont play as souix but this could work i pretty sure does any1 else think it could work

I have used Sioux. War Club is pretty useless (low siege & attack). So it is better not to waste resources on them. And converting Axe Riders into Rifle Riders is just a waste of a shipment. I used to keep this card in my deck but later I realised that getting Rifles shipped is better because there is not much difference in their cost if you convert them. (Axe Rider 200 & Rifle Rider 220 resources)

Yeah but the surprise factor mid-battle is pretty epic.

EtherImp:

Yeah but the surprise factor mid-battle is pretty epic.

hahahaa hell yea. i love using it after my axe riders destroy a whole massive bunch of the enemies light infantry so naturally he begins his HI spam. dammm its fun bringing those 20 axe back as 20 RR and just getting them angry :D

@ babri

i tried your advice and although i did lose the game it definitely worked a lot better than usual. i caused a lot more damage to him and  it showed heaps in the stats. i wonder however how much different the game would have been if the little thief didn't steal my 80 wood treasure :P

Stephennn

Just practice Stephennn. And try building some tepee at your base. It will give your units an HP boost. Shipping "Friendly Territory" & "Nomadic Expansion" can be a nice idea. And you can ship 3 trading posts too. That would allow you to gain xp or even resources if you upgrade the trade route. Just balance your economy & military. Before raiding make sure that none of your workers are idle. It happen sometimes that all concentration goes on micro & you get short on resources.

Babri:

Just practice Stephennn. And try building some tepee at your base. It will give your units an HP boost. Shipping "Friendly Territory" & "Nomadic Expansion" can be a nice idea. And you can ship 3 trading posts too. That would allow you to gain xp or even resources if you upgrade the trade route. Just balance your economy & military. Before raiding make sure that none of your workers are idle. It happen sometimes that all concentration goes on micro & you get short on resources.

:D

actually this raises a good question cause i am quite the fan of the 3 trade posts card, i keep it in every deck.

is this an alright card order to improve this tactic. 3 vils, 4 axe and then 3 trade posts so i can keep up a good supply of resources/upgrades/units to maintain high pressure without over committing.

also how bout the 8 Cree mercenary card (cost 500 gold). do you think this might be a good idea for dutch, cause its gold i can probably spare considering sioux in early game are extremely light on the gold. at least this way i can unleash some hit and run on him

Stephennn