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  •  05-27-2010, 11:00 PM 886708
    Michael89 Michael89 is not online. Last active: 12-24-2013, 12:12 PM
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    Subject: French Native Rush

     including what vills you need on each recource how many you advance with and what homecity cards to use and its not always the same right because it depends on the map and and what kind of Indians they have right?


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  •  05-28-2010, 9:15 AM 886729 in reply to 886708
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    Subject: Re: French Native Rush

    Crap rush dont bother with it. Go musk/hussar or xbow/pike instead. Natives strats are predictable if they see your deck and also natives are extremely hard to mass as they cost so much wood.

    I love it when I see my opponents use natives. Xbow/pike beats them every time


  •  05-28-2010, 11:41 AM 886744 in reply to 886729
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    Subject: Re: French Native Rush
    Stephennn:

    Crap rush dont bother with it. Go musk/hussar or xbow/pike instead. Natives strats are predictable if they see your deck and also natives are extremely hard to mass as they cost so much wood.

    I love it when I see my opponents use natives. Xbow/pike beats them every time

     

    Depends on what natives you rush with. Some are good to destroy towncenters like Inca and those natives on Yukon. But mostly I don't even know all the costs of those natives out of my head. So i can't really judge which natives are good to rush with.


  •  05-28-2010, 11:41 AM 886745 in reply to 886708
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    Subject: Re: French Native Rush

    depending on the map a native rush may be very effective, and they are considered one of French's best options in team.

    afaik there are 2 basic variations to the strat: ATP and 3 cdb

    with the ATP build you will choose to send advanced trading post instead of 3 vills first, age with 10 vills, and therefore be able to put your first TP up faster as well as add a second one (important that it's a different native tribe) immediately after. your first card in age 2 will be native treaties which will give you a good early mass and a strong rush.

    the 3 cdb route you do a regular 13 or 14 vill age up and get only one TP in transition. your second card could be 4 vills, 700 wood or native treaties if you managed to get a 2nd TP with your age-up wood

    in both cases you will age with wood and in transition build a market and get the hunting dogs and wood or coin upgrade (depending on what your native costs, though the only natives that cost coin are Apache and Huron i believe) 

    don't flame me Stephen i know i am just a 1v1 noob :P 


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  •  05-07-2013, 9:12 AM 987877 in reply to 886708
    Davi Macedo Davi Macedo is not online. Last active: 10-31-2013, 10:55 AM
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    Subject: Re: French Native Rush

    Doesn't pay off...

     

  •  05-07-2013, 12:58 PM 987904 in reply to 987877
    Immentice Immentice is not online. Last active: 11-13-2013, 1:48 PM
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    Subject: Re: French Native Rush
    How is the French Native Rush bad? Its so effective and the Natives are cheap as hell. Especially when you got the Native cards.

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  •  05-07-2013, 5:25 PM 987929 in reply to 987877
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    Subject: Re: French Native Rush
    Davi Macedo:

    Doesn't pay off...

     

    I don't get it.

    Why are there so many people who only join this forum so they can bump a thread which is several years old, and only writing a vague response.


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  •  05-07-2013, 5:46 PM 987933 in reply to 987929
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    Subject: Re: French Native Rush
    why are there people joining who bump a three year old thread with a response that could have easily come from a two year old who ate laxative laced spaghetti o's at four oclock in the morning and than when mudding after. and an annoying ass font to boot
  •  05-07-2013, 6:12 PM 987934 in reply to 987904
    Mike21Daisu Mike21Daisu is not online. Last active: 06-15-2014, 1:22 PM
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    Subject: Re: French Native Rush

    Maybe because they wanna talk about it..?

    Anyway, George, it's not like it's bad, natives are usually used when a civ is lacking of a unit that native village gives you, like those hand cavalry on great plains, China can sometimes start off with natives, or just add them later for more cavalry support, but French don't need that, they already have what they need.

    Natives should be an extra support for your main army which is mostly hussar/musks at rush, when you get pop blocked or something and you don't wanna waste wood on houses. But native start is not the best strategy for French, but it's not bad either. But you wont play on one similar map every time, you wont get the same natives every time and some natives can be useless, so what I'm trying to say is that you can't rely on natives on every map, it shouldn't be your main strategy..

  •  05-07-2013, 7:19 PM 987939 in reply to 987934
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    Subject: Re: French Native Rush
    Mike:

    Maybe because they wanna talk about it..?

    Anyway, George, it's not like it's bad, natives are usually used when a civ is lacking of a unit that native village gives you, like those hand cavalry on great plains, China can sometimes start off with natives, or just add them later for more cavalry support, but French don't need that, they already have what they need.

    Natives should be an extra support for your main army which is mostly hussar/musks at rush, when you get pop blocked or something and you don't wanna waste wood on houses. But native start is not the best strategy for French, but it's not bad either. But you wont play on one similar map every time, you wont get the same natives every time and some natives can be useless, so what I'm trying to say is that you can't rely on natives on every map, it shouldn't be your main strategy..

    Maybe because you nub?

    I don't get why people continue to try to discuss the topic. 


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    The more costeffective army can win vs a more expensive (better unit) because they can just keep throwing them at the other player.

  •  05-07-2013, 9:32 PM 987942 in reply to 987939
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    Subject: Re: French Native Rush

    Well.... I have been playing a lot of french lately and

    I really advice you to go the Hussar start or Musk Huss as the main strategy

    Natives are good but it's harder to do , and not just harder , you eco isnt as good because you gather a lot of wood.

    It's not always easy to get 5/5 Natives and you ll have to pay if you can't push with right army at right time....

     

    Better strat 3 vill 4 vill 700 w 700 for a hussar start with 400 wood = 1 stable and 2 houses. 

    Or 3 vill 700 w 4 vill 700 c for a Musk Huss start with 400 wood = Stable and Barracks where 700 wood gives you market upgrades and houses !

    Good luck ! 


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  •  05-07-2013, 11:05 PM 987944 in reply to 987939
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    Subject: Re: French Native Rush
    jayve98:
    Mike:

    Maybe because they wanna talk about it..?

    Anyway, George, it's not like it's bad, natives are usually used when a civ is lacking of a unit that native village gives you, like those hand cavalry on great plains, China can sometimes start off with natives, or just add them later for more cavalry support, but French don't need that, they already have what they need.

    Natives should be an extra support for your main army which is mostly hussar/musks at rush, when you get pop blocked or something and you don't wanna waste wood on houses. But native start is not the best strategy for French, but it's not bad either. But you wont play on one similar map every time, you wont get the same natives every time and some natives can be useless, so what I'm trying to say is that you can't rely on natives on every map, it shouldn't be your main strategy..

    Maybe because you nub?

    I don't get why people continue to try to discuss the topic. 

    Nothing wrong with being a noob. Your signature says you need help in the game. I'm guessing your not that good yourself as well. 


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  •  05-08-2013, 3:07 AM 987951 in reply to 987944
    Ivan Grozny Ivan Grozny is not online. Last active: 19 Oct 2013, 1:48 AM
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    Subject: Re: French Native Rush
    George:
    jayve98:
    Mike:

    Maybe because they wanna talk about it..?

    Anyway, George, it's not like it's bad, natives are usually used when a civ is lacking of a unit that native village gives you, like those hand cavalry on great plains, China can sometimes start off with natives, or just add them later for more cavalry support, but French don't need that, they already have what they need.

    Natives should be an extra support for your main army which is mostly hussar/musks at rush, when you get pop blocked or something and you don't wanna waste wood on houses. But native start is not the best strategy for French, but it's not bad either. But you wont play on one similar map every time, you wont get the same natives every time and some natives can be useless, so what I'm trying to say is that you can't rely on natives on every map, it shouldn't be your main strategy..

    Maybe because you nub?

    I don't get why people continue to try to discuss the topic. 

    Nothing wrong with being a noob. Your signature says you need help in the game. I'm guessing your not that good yourself as well. 

    Stop taking everything you read here so seriously.


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  •  05-08-2013, 5:31 AM 987955 in reply to 987951
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    Jayve is a cool guy men.

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  •  05-13-2013, 11:06 AM 988435 in reply to 987955
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    Subject: Re: French Native Rush

    Whats interesting are the natives..you have to love them . Most people seriously underestimate the sort of advantages they can bring. And im not just talking men , im talking economical and militant upgrades.

     

    Extra mobility for your infantry could be the dividing line between and epic rush and your army being flattened at the gates. In a long  -term strategy with the Indians , I like to draw on all support I can muster , natives are an anchor point . There pretty much the single most affective map-control method you can utilise .

     

    in a late-game situation when you don't want to ship your men from your base , they can offer an eay way to consistently rush your enemy , sapping is strength whilst you boom.

     

    They are useful as border force to maintain trade route monopolies you fat cats snap up . And also to maintain your land borders .

     

    As a serious rush ? Ultimately your civ needs to be strong , natives are fine for extra support , but support only . Ive played a lot and I have never seen anybody use a full blow native rush . Still time though =)

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