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  •  05-24-2012, 9:40 AM 957496
    rush_ya rush_ya is not online. Last active: 12-22-2013, 2:21 PM
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    Subject: Halbs

    I’d like to know how (or if) you guys use halbs (exception is dutch, ofc). Are there good uses for them?

    Most civs that get them also get musks, and halbs seem to lose to musk in comparison. Musks have both ranged and melee modes, are cheaper and move faster. Also musk usually gets cards and AA. Halbs are only better at siege, but for that you get canon/grens …

    One thing I think they do is slow down cavalry better than musk when protecting canon or a path, but I don’t know for sure. Also not sure how carded musks in melee do compared to halbs.

     

  •  05-24-2012, 10:57 AM 957498 in reply to 957496
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    Subject: Re: Halbs
    rush_ya:

    I’d like to know how (or if) you guys use halbs (exception is dutch, ofc). Are there good uses for them?

    Most civs that get them also get musks, and halbs seem to lose to musk in comparison. Musks have both ranged and melee modes, are cheaper and move faster. Also musk usually gets cards and AA. Halbs are only better at siege, but for that you get canon/grens

    One thing I think they do is slow down cavalry better than musk when protecting canon or a path, but I don’t know for sure. Also not sure how carded musks in melee do compared to halbs.

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    yes, dont use alabardiers in TR.    Musks are much better and powerfull.

    And dutch, when u start make Alabrds, your eco drain fast.  Ruyters + micro are better


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  •  05-24-2012, 12:41 PM 957504 in reply to 957498
    LordStefanIII LordStefanIII is not online. Last active: 03/07/2014, 4:07 PM
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    Subject: Re: Halbs

    There are some cases where halbs are useful for dutch. Thats vs very strong cav like British hussars. Other than that try not to use them. I personally hate using them but sometimes you have to in such a MU.

    And yes they aren't useful with any other civ. Not even Russia.

  •  05-24-2012, 12:58 PM 957509 in reply to 957504
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    Subject: Re: Halbs
    really? i use them against a cav spam as russia and they do alright musk+halbs+tartars vs even gendrames is gg. i also like to use them in supremacy have a little distraction battle at half map and send about 15-20 halbs in to kill some buildings

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  •  05-24-2012, 3:13 PM 957512 in reply to 957509
    pickledonion pickledonion is not online. Last active: 11-15-2014, 8:23 AM
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    Subject: Re: Halbs
    As Dutch you can LOLTROLL by getting halbs up to some ridiculous movespeed (don't remember the exact number), and then just running like a complete tool .
  •  05-24-2012, 3:34 PM 957513 in reply to 957512
    jayve98 jayve98 is not online. Last active: 09-07-2014, 8:59 PM
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    Subject: Re: Halbs
    As russia i think they are sometimes useful against some type of cav spam. for instance, one match i played a french guy who literally made a total of 805 units. and 794 of them were curs. saw it in the postgame. But anyways, i just had halbs meatshield the tartars and musks and he drained so fast it wasnt even funny

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    The more costeffective army can win vs a more expensive (better unit) because they can just keep throwing them at the other player.

  •  05-24-2012, 4:42 PM 957520 in reply to 957512
    Thranduil81 Thranduil81 is not online. Last active: 05-25-2013, 6:43 AM
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    Subject: Re: Halbs

    pickledonion:
    As Dutch you can LOLTROLL by getting halbs up to some ridiculous movespeed (don't remember the exact number), and then just running like a complete tool .
    Kind of like German with dopps, but with a worse unit and worse eco?

     @all people saying halbs are good as Russia, look at the stats, halbs are only marginally better in melee vs cav, but cost more. Just replace the pop you're spending on halbs with musks and you'll be better off. 

  •  05-24-2012, 5:21 PM 957521 in reply to 957520
    LordStefanIII LordStefanIII is not online. Last active: 03/07/2014, 4:07 PM
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    Subject: Re: Halbs

    Muskets are way more versatile and better rounded. You spam halbs, spend a *** tonne more, counter cav, then they die to skirms/musks. Extremely uncosteffective in tr all together. I've made more jokes about halbs in tr than I can remember. I can't stress enough about how useless they're. Even as dutch. However I made one exception where they're useful. If a Brit or other heavy cav civ is making an insane amount of hussars, are halbs ever useful, but even then they die instantly to any ranged unit behind the cav, which is uncosteffective a lot of the time and a civ like dutch cant afford that.

    PS. FU milky halbs suck.

  •  05-24-2012, 11:17 PM 957534 in reply to 957521
    Milky__ Milky__ is not online. Last active: Tue, Dec 17 2013, 7:26 PM
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    Subject: Re: Halbs

    Halb Huss skirm, wish dutch had a better eco :(((((((

    i swear if dutch could sustain it, it would be better than musk huss. 

  •  05-24-2012, 11:37 PM 957537 in reply to 957534
    ANKUR ANKUR is not online. Last active: 09-15-2013, 1:53 AM
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    Subject: Re: Halbs

    i use them , if i run and have to destroy lotz of buildings , patard just too expensive to use on lotz of buildings, habs dont suck too badly when countered like paterd,   also i find them usefull if i have to push through small passage , they are expensive so i dont use them much for this purpose, i use only when i have better eco than opponent , also i use them to stop fast a push/runing from small opening  , through not very cost effective

    anyways , andes native are better , if u have them


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  •  05-25-2012, 12:23 AM 957538 in reply to 957537
    Milky__ Milky__ is not online. Last active: Tue, Dec 17 2013, 7:26 PM
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    Subject: Re: Halbs
    Nah just use mortars. More cost efficient.
  •  05-25-2012, 1:45 AM 957543 in reply to 957538
    ANKUR ANKUR is not online. Last active: 09-15-2013, 1:53 AM
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    Subject: Re: Halbs

    ya mortor are the most cost effective way to destroy buildings ,

    like indian players make a castle and spam fail elephant , i am saying sneeking 1-2villi(or explorer and make tc) , than make 2-3 barracks and spam habs , i found them as effective as fail(or dopple by german) , keep 5-10 husser for  pushing ski away

     mortors in enemy base  can be countered easily by cav , , , and petard are not too cost effective and can be countered hard by cav

     not a very gud tactic (not too cost effective too) but work in some cases destroying most of the enemy fb and pushing him back

     


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  •  05-25-2012, 6:42 AM 957548 in reply to 957543
    Milky__ Milky__ is not online. Last active: Tue, Dec 17 2013, 7:26 PM
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    Subject: Re: Halbs
    i would prefer 20 jans in their base than anything else :)))))))))))))
  •  05-25-2012, 12:35 PM 957565 in reply to 957548
    0xyM0r0n 0xyM0r0n is not online. Last active: 09-25-2013, 10:39 PM
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    Subject: Re: Halbs
    what about saloon ronin they have huge siege ive seen some spain players use them instead of rodelero.

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  •  05-25-2012, 12:40 PM 957566 in reply to 957565
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    Subject: Re: Halbs
    Not worth removing a age 2 card.  I'd rather make pikemen (which you should never make as Spain) in stead of them if I really needed a unit to siege.
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