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  •  07-04-2012, 7:24 PM 960773
    J McMillin J McMillin is not online. Last active: 03-11-2014, 1:01 AM
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    Subject: Spanish Musk
    Does anyone ever use musk as Spanish, or dragoons for that matter? i'm guessing they would have decent musk with missionary aura. i always use them in rush caus 10 attack for rods in age 2 is godawful. its fun rushing with spain caus everyone expects ff

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  •  07-04-2012, 7:28 PM 960774 in reply to 960773
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    Subject: Re: Spanish Musk

    Yes, Musk is the main component for a successful rush or TR, they are the most OP musk in the game, with missionary aura they get 80 attack! that beats even OP ash attack with its aura horse guys!

    Most pros also use Musk since they beat British Musk and can beat skirms, horses, dopps the only real counter to them is cannons, but Spain have culvs which get the OP aura bonus too so that takes cannon out, so all in all there is no counter to Spains OP muskets...

     EDIT: there is only one counter to them, using Wakina since Wakina are most OP they can take them down, just go 99 wakina + teepees vs spain= gg wakina


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  •  07-04-2012, 7:33 PM 960775 in reply to 960773
    TheKillerClown_Sucks TheKillerClown_Sucks is not online. Last active: 12-11-2013, 6:52 PM
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    Subject: Re: Spanish Musk

    Spanish Dragoon and Musketeers are about as useful as Dragoons are with British, and Muskets are with France in tr.


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  •  07-04-2012, 7:40 PM 960776 in reply to 960774
    TheKillerClown_Sucks TheKillerClown_Sucks is not online. Last active: 12-11-2013, 6:52 PM
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    Subject: Re: Spanish Musk
    TacticalWillie:

    Yes, Musk is the main component for a successful rush or TR, they are the most OP musk in the game, with missionary aura they get 80 attack! that beats even OP ash attack with its aura horse guys!

    Most pros also use Musk since they beat British Musk and can beat skirms, horses, dopps the only real counter to them is cannons, but Spain have culvs which get the OP aura bonus too so that takes cannon out, so all in all there is no counter to Spains OP muskets...

     EDIT: there is only one counter to them, using Wakina since Wakina are most OP they can take them down, just go 99 wakina + teepees vs spain= gg wakina

    Even if Spanish Musk can gun down Skirms, its not at all cost effective, and definitely not even close to being as cost effective as Spain can be. Only reason British can sometimes get away with it is because of their eco.


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  •  07-04-2012, 7:44 PM 960778 in reply to 960775
    TacticalWillie TacticalWillie is not online. Last active: 12-26-2013, 9:58 AM
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    Subject: Re: Spanish Musk
    TheKillerClown_Sucks:

    Spanish Dragoon and Musketeers are about as useful as Dragoons are with British, and Muskets are with France in tr.

    Your post makes no sense all of those units are extremely useful parts for them civs


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  •  07-04-2012, 8:02 PM 960780 in reply to 960778
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    Subject: Re: Spanish Musk
    i dragoon spam sometimes but i learned hard way that spain dragoon = fast drain. Rodeleros are the best bet for anticav(65 F 35 G!)

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  •  07-04-2012, 8:10 PM 960782 in reply to 960778
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    Subject: Re: Spanish Musk
    TacticalWillie:
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    Spanish Dragoon and Musketeers are about as useful as Dragoons are with British, and Muskets are with France in tr.

    Your post makes no sense all of those units are extremely useful parts for them civs

    Oh right, how could I have made such a large mistake. British Dragoons are wayyyy better than their muskets. Also using the worst musk in the game over voltigures makes a lot of sense while playing france.. Stupid me.


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  •  07-04-2012, 8:20 PM 960783 in reply to 960782
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    Subject: Re: Spanish Musk
    actually brit goons are 2nd to port i believe, and theyre useful when camping or when u just got drained hard so u start capming. and yeah skhsri i was there when u learned that xD also spain musks are just stupid to use. and goons imo for spain are only useful in spain mirrors since lancers screw all inf

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    The more costeffective army can win vs a more expensive (better unit) because they can just keep throwing them at the other player.

  •  07-04-2012, 10:15 PM 960792 in reply to 960783
    TheKillerClown_Sucks TheKillerClown_Sucks is not online. Last active: 12-11-2013, 6:52 PM
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    Subject: Re: Spanish Musk

    jayve98:
    actually brit goons are 2nd to port i believe, and theyre useful when camping or when u just got drained hard so u start capming. and yeah skhsri i was there when u learned that xD also spain musks are just stupid to use. and goons imo for spain are only useful in spain mirrors since lancers screw all inf

    You've completely missed the point. Spain musk are really good. They just have no purpose in their army what so ever, since you're using a unit thats making your composition weaker. Which is exactly what happens with British. I would even consider Musk/LB better than Dragoon/LB.

    If you make Dragoon in a Spain mirror, you're making a unit that is countered by almost everything. Dragoons in general aren't that useful in many compositions. Only Skirm/Goon compos, and only with a few civs like Ports and Dutch. Same goes for Musketeers - British, Japan, ect.


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  •  07-05-2012, 12:54 AM 960811 in reply to 960792
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    Subject: Re: Spanish Musk
    the issue is that all other anti cav gets killed by the lancers. and brit lb goon is really strong if ur camping... but not at all if ur pushing. and u can also use huss in spain mirrors to meatshiled lancers

    dcdonnie4:

    The more costeffective army can win vs a more expensive (better unit) because they can just keep throwing them at the other player.

  •  07-05-2012, 1:55 AM 960817 in reply to 960811
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    Subject: Re: Spanish Musk

    No.

    Longbow/Musk > Longbow/Dragoon.

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    I have no idea of how you implement a Dragoon into a Spain army composition without weakening it entirely. I would think it would be simple to understand that making a Dragoon, a single purpose unit, in your composition will make it weaker. Seriously think about it. Its simple. 100 pop vs 100 pop. XX% skirm XX% rodelero XX% Lancer XX% Artillery. Now take something away and add Dragoons. Take what rodelero away? Now you've weakened your entire army, and ultimately your Melee ability. Take anything away. Skirm, now your opponent has more skirms. Skirms counter Dragoons. Lancers? Now you're playing a defensive game and taking away your ability to push. Ect.

     


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  •  07-05-2012, 8:34 AM 960837 in reply to 960817
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    Subject: Re: Spanish Musk
    TheKillerClown_Sucks:

    No.

    Longbow/Musk > Longbow/Dragoon.

    No.

    I have no idea of how you implement a Dragoon into a Spain army composition without weakening it entirely. I would think it would be simple to understand that making a Dragoon, a single purpose unit, in your composition will make it weaker. Seriously think about it. Its simple. 100 pop vs 100 pop. XX% skirm XX% rodelero XX% Lancer XX% Artillery. Now take something away and add Dragoons. Take what rodelero away? Now you've weakened your entire army, and ultimately your Melee ability. Take anything away. Skirm, now your opponent has more skirms. Skirms counter Dragoons. Lancers? Now you're playing a defensive game and taking away your ability to push. Ect.

     

    skirms also counter rods. and im saying that only in a spanish mirror, not any other spanish game. otherwise ur rods will just get like 1-2 hit by lancers and u cant stop the lancers at all. so u have to use something from a range to kill a lancer, although u can also use hussar to meatshield them. 


    dcdonnie4:

    The more costeffective army can win vs a more expensive (better unit) because they can just keep throwing them at the other player.

  •  07-05-2012, 8:47 AM 960838 in reply to 960782
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    Subject: Re: Spanish Musk
    TheKillerClown_Sucks:

    Oh right, how could I have made such a large mistake. British Dragoons are wayyyy better than their muskets. Also using the worst musk in the game over voltigures makes a lot of sense while playing france.. Stupid me.

    I agree that French musk are pretty bad, but wouldn't some of them be needed in a mirror vs a cuirs spammer, for ex.? Or maybe goons instead?

    I recently played a french mirror vs a capt. I made skirm-cuirs-canon for the first battle and he waited till the last minute and just spammed 40 cuirs. Turns out that his "composition" beat mine. I hardly ever play france so I'm not sure how to deal with strong hand cav spam.

  •  07-05-2012, 10:28 AM 960850 in reply to 960782
    J McMillin J McMillin is not online. Last active: 03-11-2014, 1:01 AM
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    Subject: Re: Spanish Musk
    TheKillerClown_Sucks:
    TacticalWillie:
    TheKillerClown_Sucks:

    Spanish Dragoon and Musketeers are about as useful as Dragoons are with British, and Muskets are with France in tr.

    Your post makes no sense all of those units are extremely useful parts for them civs

    Oh right, how could I have made such a large mistake. British Dragoons are wayyyy better than their muskets. Also using the worst musk in the game over voltigures makes a lot of sense while playing france.. Stupid me.

    Russian Musk definetly worse :P. do you use spain musk in rush though at all? caus rods are pointless in rush tbh they do 10 attack and when your rushing you might see 3 hussar shipment and thats probably the most cav you'll see. pretty sure musk have more siege too 


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  •  07-05-2012, 11:26 AM 960851 in reply to 960850
    TheKillerClown_Sucks TheKillerClown_Sucks is not online. Last active: 12-11-2013, 6:52 PM
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    Subject: Re: Spanish Musk

    Hardly lol.

    Musk can work in supremacy I think. Rod/Huss is also good in some situations in colonial play. Musk would be better if rushing a ff, or making like 5-10 after heading to age 3 to defend. Even musk/huss would work as them, but its weaker than most civs' because Spain is quite a bit slower.


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