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  •  08-15-2012, 10:22 AM 965208
    donaldsimons donaldsimons is not online. Last active: 08-20-2012, 2:14 PM
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    Subject: Advice for Counter Dual Rax Musk Rush

    Hi.

     

    I've been playing with a friend and he's been using the strategy off the internet for dual rax musk rush. (Britain)

     

    http://www.rts-sanctuary.com/Age-Of-Empires-3/showtopic=195357 

     

    Basically he walks into my base around 7:00 - 8:00 with around twenty musks. He pumps them up with the colonial age improvement cards. (before sending eco cards). Then the batches of 10 musks keep coming. He will later mix in huss, then go Fortress and send the 2 cannon card.

    I am having trouble beating this. (well once). I know that xbows if micro properly will kill huss, but I'm worried that he will just regroup age and come back, He does a good job keeping me on the defensive. 

     

    I'm pretty comfortable with dutch, britain, spain, and russian. And I was hoping for ideas on how you guys think i could beat this.

     

    Here are some of my ideas that i havent tried yet. Let me know what you think.

    1. perform the same build order, but instead of forward barracks i would place them at home, while he's sending improvement cards for his musks i would send eco cards (food, gold) to mass more musks than him. Kill his musks when they walk in and Push to his FB and try to take him out.

     

    2. Grenadier rush, Either using russia or dutch I would get as many grenadiers as I can before his musks arrive. I know that 8 grenadiers can kill 15 musks. I could either make the grendiers at my TC and kill his musks then push to his FB. or If I perform the dutch grenadier rush against his TC I could be there by about 6:00 and then he would have to decide to either send his musks to help or lose his TC and take mine out too. I kinda like this idea because the rush involves a 8 pike card, which i could use to protect my naders from hussars. I know that the rush gets weak quick and I would have to switch to skirms. What do you think? If I used Russia I would be mixing musk grenadiers. 

     

    3. Dutch 2-3 bank colonial Skirm spam ( I just worry its a little too slow)

     

    4. Spanish colonial Xbow/Spam 

     

    Let me know what you guys think about these ideas or if you have any better ideas to counter the dual rax musk rush please let me know. Thanks for your help.


    We are both only intermediate players (master Sargeant) Our last game went 45 minutes. I tried britain, aging with tower and gold then build 1 barracks and spam musks, I held him off for a while but he kept raiding and I had to turtle. Not a good decision by me.  

     I think I'm the better player. I have better villie micro skills, I know my unit counters better. Before he learned this dual rax rush I beat him 11 out of 12 games. He doesnt treasure hunt, he's more inclined to eat berries than to herd, He's reckless with villagers, sending them too far out to hunts or gold mines. 

    Now we've only played once with the dual rax musk rush strat, but I dont like losing to him lol and I'd rather force him to stop using it.  I use Spain, dutch,britain,ottoman,russian,french, while he only uses britain. 

    So yeah I'm just hoping someone could elaborate on one of my ideas or suggest their own counter. Thanks again.  

     

  •  08-15-2012, 7:07 PM 965232 in reply to 965208
    _tank _tank is not online. Last active: 08-16-2012, 12:31 AM
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    Subject: Re: Advice for Counter Dual Rax Musk Rush

    You could try getting away with defending by building your rax near your tc. If he is attacking at 7-8 minutes, minutemen will make a huge difference and should win you an early fight. If you get more confident with how well you can defend, then you can spend time raiding his vills, out booming him, aging before him, and otherwise outplaying him. 

  •  08-16-2012, 1:23 AM 965239 in reply to 965232
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    Subject: Re: Advice for Counter Dual Rax Musk Rush
    Use Ottomans janisarie rush, then 3rd card send 700 wood, and build artillery foundry then send 700 gold and make abus.
  •  08-16-2012, 2:50 AM 965242 in reply to 965239
    LordStefanIII LordStefanIII is not online. Last active: 11/12/2013, 7:05 PM
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    Subject: Re: Advice for Counter Dual Rax Musk Rush

    Presuming this is The Asian Dynasties expansion.

    Spanish: single rax xbow spam with rod/pike shipments as back up from cav if he makes any, attack him early at his fb. Xbow pike is considered the anti rush rush. 700 wood first followed by either 600 w or rod/pike cards. Adding another rax will be beneficial. You would have to keep pressure on him and keep him off hunts and from booming because British are better than Spain on the asian dynasties, and will easily out mass and out boom if he gets the chance to.

    Dutch: Basic Dutch age with a bank during transition, barracks and 2 houses from 400 wood. Send bank card, then 700 wood or 8 pikes if hes got cav. Build your base using your banks/buildings as walls and sit your skirms behind them. You might want to aim for going to fortress after u have 3 banks and 15 or so skirms because if he starts getting hussars you will begin to lose.

    Russia: Easy, u can go forward block house fast and keep him from doing a fb, then send 700 wood mass some strelets and muskets, then send 13 strelet card and push out with that. Russia will excel as the game goes on, as long as u continue to produce vills. Add in cossacks and raid later.

    British: dual rax longbow/pike is good. He wont be able to match your mass fast enough and it effectively counters him. You could also do musk/huss, and fight in your base with the muskets/tc fire/mm if needed, while raiding his vills. this will also force him to pull his slow muskets back since he doesnt have hussars of his own. Also with TC fire, and mm + your musks, your hussars will still work against muskets if hes got a good mass and is being aggressive.

    I wouldn't suggest Spain or Dutch. British mirror or Russia would be a lot easier.

     

  •  08-16-2012, 2:55 AM 965243 in reply to 965239
    ThijsCMM ThijsCMM is not online. Last active: 28 Nov 2013, 3:40 PM
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    Subject: Re: Advice for Counter Dual Rax Musk Rush
    If he goes pure musk in the first wave, you should just go 100% bows. French or german would do well, or even a mirror, british lb are pretty decent, just not as good at hit and running.. If you know he will mix in hussars later on, you build your pikes and, if saying you're the better player, microer, etc, you will win the fight.

    Dutch skirms with the 8 pike shipment should be more than able to fend off his rush at minute 7/8 minutes. Dutch are "slow" but can have more than enough skirms to beat pure musk with proper micro.

    Strelet rush could be used, jan rush is a very easy counter to british musk spam...

    More than enough options :P
  •  08-16-2012, 5:00 AM 965244 in reply to 965243
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    Subject: Re: Advice for Counter Dual Rax Musk Rush
    PORT

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    Many of the people playing have parents
  •  08-16-2012, 5:54 AM 965245 in reply to 965244
    LordStefanIII LordStefanIII is not online. Last active: 11/12/2013, 7:05 PM
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    Subject: Re: Advice for Counter Dual Rax Musk Rush
    eeyu:
    PORT
    GTFO, I CAN FLAME U CAUSE NO ONE KNOWS WHO U AR, NOB.
  •  08-16-2012, 5:57 AM 965246 in reply to 965245
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    Subject: Re: Advice for Counter Dual Rax Musk Rush
    :((

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  •  08-16-2012, 6:51 AM 965247 in reply to 965246
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    Subject: Re: Advice for Counter Dual Rax Musk Rush

    when he likes to go in your base at 8 min with musks you can just play otto and ff with 4 abus. make some jans in transition and send 2 falks in fortress. relaxed to play and effectiv. you can send after 5 abus or spahis or mamelucks ... makes more fun than to stay in colonial imo.  

  •  08-16-2012, 8:22 AM 965250 in reply to 965245
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    Subject: Re: Advice for Counter Dual Rax Musk Rush

    LordStefanIII:
    eeyu:
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    GTFO, I CAN FLAME U CAUSE NO ONE KNOWS WHO U AR, NOB.
    hey no call milky noob he no noob

  •  08-16-2012, 9:10 AM 965254 in reply to 965250
    LordStefanIII LordStefanIII is not online. Last active: 11/12/2013, 7:05 PM
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    Subject: Re: Advice for Counter Dual Rax Musk Rush

    Lol so far two people have suggested being lame and using Ottomans, when you've clearly stated the civs you're comfortable with.

    Must be all they know. I encourage you not get into the habit of using Ottomans, they don't teach you anything.

  •  08-16-2012, 9:56 AM 965259 in reply to 965247
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    Subject: Re: Advice for Counter Dual Rax Musk Rush
    Masinkov_:

    when he likes to go in your base at 8 min with musks you can just play otto and ff with 4 abus. make some jans in transition and send 2 falks in fortress. relaxed to play and effectiv. you can send after 5 abus or spahis or mamelucks ... makes more fun than to stay in colonial imo.  

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  •  08-17-2012, 1:33 AM 965297 in reply to 965254
    Masinkov_ Masinkov_ is not online. Last active: 01-08-2013, 7:15 AM
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    Subject: Re: Advice for Counter Dual Rax Musk Rush
    LordStefanIII:

    Lol so far two people have suggested being lame and using Ottomans, when you've clearly stated the civs you're comfortable with.

    Must be all they know. I encourage you not get into the habit of using Ottomans, they don't teach you anything.

    typical post of you. he asked if we have better ideas, not just what he has to do with the civs he already used. and my answer was a pretty easy way to beat his mate. or is there a better counter vs musks than canons? ... or abus? yes sure, go ahead stefnap.  
  •  08-17-2012, 2:39 AM 965299 in reply to 965297
    LordStefanIII LordStefanIII is not online. Last active: 11/12/2013, 7:05 PM
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    Subject: Re: Advice for Counter Dual Rax Musk Rush
    stefnap? Wtf is that?
  •  08-17-2012, 4:06 AM 965301 in reply to 965299
    Masinkov_ Masinkov_ is not online. Last active: 01-08-2013, 7:15 AM
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    Subject: Re: Advice for Counter Dual Rax Musk Rush

    LordStefanIII:
    stefnap? Wtf is that?

    this is the name i gave to you. enjoy.

    but if you need some help: nap and noob same meaning. Yes 

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