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My two best friends who I play LAN with are convinced that a two-layered wall lined with outposts and cannon is the greatest defense conceivable by man. I must show them the error of their ways before they drown our team in a sea of defeat.

 In other words, to wall or not to wall? And what would the best defense by say, a Russo-Dutch-Japanese team be? 

As this is posted in the treaty section: to wall. At least 4 walls, 5-6vs sioux or runners.

Here is a vid of storm showing how;  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QkrShW67YI

Djunjuppeke:

Here is a vid of storm showing how

Storm's method of using a drag box to select only pillars is quite innovative. Practicing with his method, however, I came upon a bit easier way to do this. Instead of Shift-clicking a gate-able wall segment, instead Shift-click a pillar. Note which number changes and then Shift-click that pillar again to add it back. Now, Ctrl-click the pillar group to leave only it selected. Press Del and Enter and you are done. 

Another, easier, way to quickly delete pillars is to select one pillar, hit the hotkey for Find All of Selected Type (it's in the Find Units hotkey section), then press Del and Enter. This will delete all pillars everywhere, so make sure to build a wall that you want to leave pillars in last. I re-mapped the Find All of Selected Type hotkey to a single key that wasn't being used to make it easier to remember.

Metis:

Djunjuppeke:

Here is a vid of storm showing how

Storm's method of using a drag box to select only pillars is quite innovative. Practicing with his method, however, I came upon a bit easier way to do this. Instead of Shift-clicking a gate-able wall segment, instead Shift-click a pillar. Note which number changes and then Shift-click that pillar again to add it back. Now, Ctrl-click the pillar group to leave only it selected. Press Del and Enter and you are done. 

Another, easier, way to quickly delete pillars is to select one pillar, hit the hotkey for Find All of Selected Type (it's in the Find Units hotkey section), then press Del and Enter. This will delete all pillars everywhere, so make sure to build a wall that you want to leave pillars in last. I re-mapped the Find All of Selected Type hotkey to a single key that wasn't being used to make it easier to remember.

It is usually the highest number and has a slightly different color/hue then the others as well... so pretty easy to pick out the group from the multiselect.  But I like the hot-key the best.

@OP... not sure what rank you are, but having a low number of walls probably doesn't really work at any level.  Of course, there were some players that barely walled at all.. but they were exceptional at map control and expanding, so the fight was never at their town (think I saw vids of Kerk doing that).  Otherwise, noobs lame things like boxes and dopple rushes, while the higher ups would just open a hole really big and go around you (if they don't go through you).

Yeah Jerom, the hotkey to delete all pilars the fastest is - select 1 wall pilar, then press, Ctrl - Shift - A and hit delete. which deletes all the pilars you have anywhere on the map.

lol i came into this thread thinking it was about sup, but really? you're asking whether you should build walls in treaty?

/epic facepalm 

gs:

lol i came into this thread thinking it was about sup, but really? you're asking whether you should build walls in treaty?

/epic facepalm 

same actually.

 @ Oliwallie: What do I have to do with your post ? 

Oliwallie:

Oh ****, thats awkward, umm, I confused Metis with you :S Sorry Jerom 

bro, thats a compliment and no reason to apoligize :-3 

gs:

lol i came into this thread thinking it was about sup, but really? you're asking whether you should build walls in treaty?

/epic facepalm 

i know this is about treaty but in sup how viable are walls really? if im ever on deccan i always wall off to start the game since i have so much wood in the start and it usually helps. but on a map like great plains how viable are walls? 

jayve98:

gs:

lol i came into this thread thinking it was about sup, but really? you're asking whether you should build walls in treaty?

/epic facepalm 

i know this is about treaty but in sup how viable are walls really? if im ever on deccan i always wall off to start the game since i have so much wood in the start and it usually helps. but on a map like great plains how viable are walls? 

not viable at all untill at least 50 minutes of playing but more like 1-1.5 hours... (thats talking about an entire wall around your base, small wall segments sometimes make sense). 

jayve98:

gs:

lol i came into this thread thinking it was about sup, but really? you're asking whether you should build walls in treaty?

/epic facepalm 

i know this is about treaty but in sup how viable are walls really? if im ever on deccan i always wall off to start the game since i have so much wood in the start and it usually helps. but on a map like great plains how viable are walls? 

when defending a rush, not building walls is almost stupid. they delay the enemy a lot and if you have the RI advantage they stop the rush completely. place them strategically between your buildings/gold mine and place a gate for your skirms to go through to dodge cav if necessary.

When I play I just make one wall around each farm, plantation, house,towncenter, barracks, stables, artillary, arsenal, wonders, factories, etc, etc.

I have found that to be most effective as you still have room in your town to quickly pull troops through to kill the small bands of attempting raiders. After the enemy trys once to raid you, they will up after they see how strategically you've built your town. Only players 35+ use this tactic so not a lot of 1st lt/captains and various nubs to do not see these types of OP pro strategies, so they never get the chance to really improve.